Should there be a Valen class as a regular ship?

[emperorpenguin]

The Prince Regent is Cartagia's son. If Londo had not assumed the throne, it would have been his for the taking. He is the next in the line of royal blood, so I assume Prince Regent is appropriate.


Dave

Davesaint is correct. I just saw an interview on youtube with Keegan McIntosh and he says that Dius Vintari is Cartagia's son

 

[MustEatBrains]

The Prince Regent is Cartagia's son. If Londo had not assumed the throne, it would have been his for the taking. He is the next in the line of royal blood, so I assume Prince Regent is appropriate.


Dave

Davesaint is correct. I just saw an interview on youtube with Keegan McIntosh and he says that Dius Vintari is Cartagia's son

could you link that pls?

 

[emperorpenguin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXGMUYCuSXY&NR=1

there you go

 

[emperorpenguin]

Apparently Vintari is 3rd in line after Mollari and Vir.

I've not read the "Legions of Fire" trilogy but somehow I never imagined Vir was officially Londo's heir.

 

[MustEatBrains]

I haven´t read it myself, but I think I remember having read somewhere that a lot of stuff happening in those books is goind down to the Centauri Prime Minister of that time trying to get onto the throen himself - so we would have a fourth player in the political game.

Centauri - six attributes, four guys on the throne, one hell of a hairstyle




and no beams

 

[emperorpenguin]

but lots of ion cannons

 

[MustEatBrains]

HELL YEAH!!!

 

[Da Boss]

Apparently Vintari is 3rd in line after Mollari and Vir.

I've not read the "Legions of Fire" trilogy but somehow I never imagined Vir was officially Londo's heir.

I have read them - they were OK - not a fan of the Technomages so that doesn't help - I don't recall any mention of him in them.........but probably wrong.

 

[emperorpenguin]

there wouldn't be any Vintari in the novels since they were written x years ago

what I'm wondering is in the novels how is Vir portrayed? Heir apparent or right man at the right time?

 

[MustEatBrains]

I htink "secret ops technomage friend" or something like that

 

[Da Boss]

I htink "secret ops technomage friend" or something like that

Yeah - take over Londos Job but not seen as a problem by any - slowly becomes more and more prominant as a force for (mostly) good - does one very very bad thing and has to live with it............

 

[Jhary]

I ask why get an Race that had no seen Ship in TV every thing and ISA gets only a pseudo fleetlist with no real choice? Give ISA the VALEN or make the Dilgar unoficial.

 

[Methos5000]

I dont follow your logic...the ISA doesnt have enough ships so the Dilgar should be unofficial?

Remember not everything in this game is based of what was seen in the series, otherwise most races would have one ship and a few others would have a couple.

Regardless the Dilgar had a fleet at one point, the series even mentions the Dilgar war in several instances, its hard to have a war in space without a space capable fleet, to me that makes a Dilgar fleet as official as an ISA one or an EA one.

Even if the Valen was made accessable to the ISA it should be a Unique varient. Plus the if Mongoose decides to add the Valen to the Minbari fleet there is nothing keeping it from being in the ISA fleet unless its a War or Armageddon choice (not likely), the ISA can always take it as an allied ship.

And as far as real choices for the ISA I think their fleet list is full of viable choices, with the added patrol and skirmish choices and having a scout option for the Whitestar now the ISA no longer has to rely on allies to fill gaps in their fleet, they can have a pretty good fleet without any allied support.

 

[tneva82]

It may be difficult for you to understand, but when you use existing terms, in any setting, you either use them correctly, or you look like a twat.

Or you use them as is right in the setting in question.

If definition of term changes in 250 years why you wouldn't use that term properly for that period rather than incorrect term from past?

Such a simple principle as right use of term for each setting...Guess it's too difficult for you. Just like it's too hard for some people to admit that centauris have beams in canonical background as well. But guess people here don't want to play Babylon 5 space combat game but rather generic space combat game where instead of names and rules based on the great TV serie we should have generic names and generic rules with no bearing to the TV serie or it's background.

 

[Da Boss]

Your making a pretty extreme jump there? If all the people here wanted to play the game you describe I doubt they would all spend the time on here arguing about canon / not canon, thousands of little details etc.

In order to make ACTA comprimises have had tp be made to get proper fleets etc. It s a great game that builds on the background - but there is always going to be disagreements over sucha show - especially when it has its own internal contradictions!?

have fun! - cos thats what we are here for yes?

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Or you use them as is right in the setting in question.

If definition of term changes in 250 years why you wouldn't use that term properly for that period rather than incorrect term from past?

Such a simple principle as right use of term for each setting...Guess it's too difficult for you.

The meaning of these terms hasn't changed in the last 250 years. Why should it change in another? These are clearly defined terms with simple meanings, immensely unlikely to change in meaning over time. It's just another case of JMS incorrectly using a term and people who don't understand it either jumping to his defence.

 

[MustEatBrains]

Sounds like one or two of you guys are getting a little hot-headed over the whole thing? Oh, and don´t let things like other opinions supported by sound arguments get in the way of your anger, if this "people just don´t understand it/don´t want to understand that I´m right" makes you happy, I´m happy for you. :roll:

 

[katadder]

I thought the valen class was the big green brick from legend of the rangers? or was that a differant named ship? cant remember at this time.

 

[MustEatBrains]

No, it also was named Valen, you´re right (yeah, someone talking about the topic again! ).

I still haven´t seen TLT yet, but if there is really talk about the new Valen class, that would mean that there are (or are going to be) more of it. So, that might be the clue that would justifiy a Valen-class miniature.

In Legend, the Valen was considered a unique ship, the first (and hopefully last) of it´s line. However, the first Valen was definitely a Ranger ship, and as such would be a fleet choice for the ISA, while it´s not clear if that Valen-class from TLT is Minbari or Alliance (are Rangers running around the set, or Minbari? Could be another clue)

Now, maybe it is still a Minbari ship, with a unique IA-One for the Alliance? The regular battleship could be allied into an alliance fleet anyway.

The one point that convinces me most is that we always argue about canon and it´s place in the game, and that we now have the opportunity to add yet another canon ship to the game. AND that the ship is sexy as hell of course!

 

[Methos5000]

Was the one in legend of the rangers a Valen Class or just called the Valen? I know the first off the line of a new ship class is usually what designates that class but as other people have pointed out JMS hasnt always followed standard accepted practices (Military Rank, Title and such)

I cant believe the Minbari would allow an entire ship class not built by Minbari to be named after their most revered icon in their society.

Or it could be since JMS named this the Valen Class maybe he is just trying to forget Legend of the Rangers happened too.