Shadows and Vorlons book ETA?

[vinush]

If you watch the scene, you will see the blank stare, just before he agrees to honor Kosh's wishes.

This change of thinking does trigger a thought that Sinclair did not consider until after talking to Kosh. In the same episode, he states to Ivanova that Kosh was wearing an encounter suit and how did a poison get through the suit. Was it just and excuse to have Lyta have to touch him?

Kosh does it again in another episode that I will attempt to find, and not to a Vorlon Servant.

It was explained that the poison got through the encounter suit because it wasn't fully enclosed, implying that the Vorlons only wore them to be mysterious.

 

[lastbesthope]

It was explained that the poison got through the encounter suit because it wasn't fully enclosed, implying that the Vorlons only wore them to be mysterious.

And their fashion sense (and translator sound effects) are stuck in the 80s, I mean, those shoulder pads!

LBH

 

[Anonymous]

Mars is probaly a more useful book to have for role-playing campaigns, but for those who want more info on the big bads, S&V is essential.

I'm one of those that want more info on the big bads, and from other posts on this forum I'm guessing that I'm far from the only one.

Unfortunately, we're either in the minority or Mongoose just isn't listening to us, judging by the release schedule. :? Oh well, guess I'll have to wait till the end of the year or 2006 (probably 2006).

 

[frobisher]

Unfortunately, we're either in the minority or Mongoose just isn't listening to us, judging by the release schedule. :? Oh well, guess I'll have to wait till the end of the year or 2006 (probably 2006).

The Ancients need to be done well, and thoroughly.

The one thing we don't need though is stats for each of them, excepting the Vorlons and Shadows who do interact directly with the younger races.

You shouldn't be able to play any of them though as PCs though. Ever.

Anyone who thinks you should, please form an orderly queue for a slapping...

 

[lastbesthope]

You shouldn't be able to play any of them though as PCs though. Ever.

Anyone who thinks you should, please form an orderly queue for a slapping...

I know I'm risking a slap, but if you were playing a mega epic level campaign it might be interesting to take Ancients, maybe to play out the poloticking amongst them during the circa 1250 AD Shadow War.

LBH

 

[frobisher]

I know I'm risking a slap, but if you were playing a mega epic level campaign it might be interesting to take Ancients, maybe to play out the poloticking amongst them during the circa 1250 AD Shadow War.

Just internal Vorlon politicking at that point though - the other Ancients only got involved in the war circe 8000bc and then mostly went beyond the Rim after that. To be honest, I really don't know what form internal debate would take with the Vorlons, jms couldn't properly articulate how their "government" worked, he just had a "feeling" about it.

 

[lastbesthope]

It might be interesting, but very unlikely to get info on what the Ancients were like when they were at our level, i.e. they were the younger races at the time.

LBH

 

[Anonymous]

You shouldn't be able to play any of them though as PCs though. Ever.

Anyone who thinks you should, please form an orderly queue for a slapping...

Although I agree that players shouldn't be allowed to play as vorlon or shadow characters, it's futile for you to say what other groups should do or think.

 

[lastbesthope]

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LBH

 

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LBH

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[Elizar]

Lorien was not all knowing, all powerful.

Says who?

Fact is Lorien knew from outside the galaxy when Sheriden was dying, and managed to appear just like that. We see technology allow for a human to go anywhere their mind desires (the great machine) and if you have a telepathic brain, even any when. Wars of the ancients from AOG talks about how the Triad's range and arc of teek/teep ability is unlimited.

The main hinderence seem's to be willpower and lifeforces. In B5 life is more than biology apparently, energy/souls are implemented as part of the lore. So this is an exception to the rule. Willpower is what limits their use of power. After living for billions of years, what bacteria do is really quite irrelevant to them for the most part and apathy has set in.

I'm not suggesting he is omnipotent but he certainly seems on demi-god levels. Considering that Ironheart before he evolved into an energy being saw things at an atomic level and was able to vapourise B5 with a stray thought would help support this idea.

Mongoose - Will the book focus on the Vorlons a lot more? I ask because we have trilogies, series, spin-off's, subplots etc. completely revolving around the shadows.

We know tons about the shadows but very little about the Vorlons still. Technomages get their own line of stuff. Can we have some expansion on the agents of order for a change. For example, Jack the Inquisitor was an agent or order (an opposite for a technomage for example) and displayed quite a lot of abilities. Teleportation being a main one, an ability also shown in thirdspace when an alien uses a Vorlon console and teleports in front of Sheriden. An ability technomages have been given as per the factbook as well. So seems they are on a par there at least, would be nice if they had their own selection of abilities. Yeah, there are teeps but even they get used for the Shadows so I don't think it counts. Besides its not really technology... which the Vorlons employ even though they hate the tech.

Would be good to have a contrast there, be able to play agents of order (inquisitors) vs agents of chaos (technomages) since you can't play first one's. Maybe have agents of order follow their masters in being a lot more secretive (thus explaining the little known info) and not power hungry like technomages. Its been established that Vorlons use younger races to pilot most of their craft for them, must be a heirarchy or some sort of stuff to learn there. Like where they came from, in the show some younger race planets were attacked for being protected by the Vorlons... what was the selection process on choosing the races/planets that would become part of the Vorlon empire. Anything really.

Also will there be clarification on the Shadows corporeal presence? There is some confusion at the moment raised from the technomage trilogy. For example when a shadow is 'killed' it flashes a bright white whereas a shadow in the series just disappeared. Also, why are agents of chaos (technomages) using a thousand year old technology given to them not to be weapons but for causing hysteria able to dispatch shadows so easily. The taritimatude (sp?) all had this power yet they didn't revolt against the shadows if it was so easy for each one of them to take on the shadows that comes across as strange. Seems kind of pathetic that first one's get killed by their own soldiers, who shouldn't even have their most advanced technology since the whole point was not to make the most kickarse soldiers around. We know they are energy beings and that they have appeared in a non-corporeal form which has been associated with the eye (which we now know is a technomage not a shadow), several of them appearing. Does that mean what we see are in fact avatars like the Vorlons, Lorien, Triad etc. present to younger races? And when their avatars die, it does not heavily effect their non-coproreal form? Thats the best explaination I have come up with that fits all the established facts.