Scale of Armor

[Professor]

We were looking at the Challenger II compared to Dragon Armor's Challenger II (1/72 scale) yesterday. It is quite strange - the 1/72 scale tank is longer than the Mongoose tank; while the 1/72 tank is narrower than the Mongoose.

So this means that the proportions are significantly different between the two. Anyone else notice this?

Which one is correct to scale? Anybody know? My game group thinks Dragon Armor does a pretty good job, and figure they might be more accurate...

???

 

[Mr Evil]

maybe challenger 2 V challenger 1 differance

 

[Professor]

They are both supposed to be Challenger IIs...

 

[Ben2]

Well the Mongoose is 1/64 and Dragon is 1/72. Hmmm. I'll have a look when I have both in my hands. However the difference in scale with vehicles is small enough to raise hopes of using Challenger 1s, Leopard 1s, Marders etc with the BF:Evo stuff.

 

[Hiromoon]

I donno Ben....the Mongoose stuff looks more like 1/72....especially in comparison to the Forces of Valor M1 tank (1/72) and the MGP M1A2

 

[Mr Evil]

the MGP M1A2 is spot on for size with the corgi 1:64 scale M1A1

as for the warrior its slightly bigger than my 1:72 scale warrior.

there is a definate closeness to 1:65 and 1:72 any way plus the fov is slightly oversize any way so it all works out good.

its 1:48 and 1:65 your start to see a big enough differance to be a problem.

 

[Professor]

Yeah, but the problem I'm seeing is players wanting to buy the Dragon Armor instead of the BE models...

 

[DoomOnYou72]

Yeah, but the problem I'm seeing is players wanting to buy the Dragon Armor instead of the BE models...

Why is that a problem? Unlike the fantasy/ sci fi market which has little to no competition within individual game systems (ST, WH, & 40K etc.) due to fluff and artistic designs/ IP. Historical games, and that is basically what BFEvo is, have always had to deal with competition from other companies. Competition just raises the bar a company should aim for. If players want to buy Dragon vs. Mongoose then mongoose needs to ask themselves why? Are the models, prices, quality better? Do players see or perceive a better value? After they figure that out they need to ask themselves what can they do to make their product more attractive.

As for myself Ive seen the figs in the flesh and was not impressed. They were about what I expected but just not for me. Most of the reasons match what others have said so I wont elaborate. But I will say this though, the cost may have been alittle high but not beyond what I would be willing to pay if I wanted them.

 

[docrailgun]

Let me start by saying that I love these miniatures, and the infantry scale is excellent. However, I finally got my grubby mitts on a Type 99, and I felt that perhaps it was a bit too small. If I assume that the PLA infantry pieces are supposed to be in the same scale as this tank... there's no way that a tank crew could squeeze through any of the entry points on this model. This doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the model (being used to GW's tiny transports), but since the infantry were reslisitc for their scale, I had hoped that vehicles would as well.
It seems to be that the 1/48 Humvees and "Little Birds" that have been seen on this site and others are closer to "realistic" scale than the Type 99 that I have (that is, I can believe that one of my PLA models could sit in one of these vehicles seats without heavy modification of either trooper or vehicle).

 

[BuShips]

the MGP M1A2 is spot on for size with the corgi 1:64 scale M1A1.

While the chasis dimensions are indeed "spot on" as you said, take a look at the turret my friend (and I mean that in the nicest possible way). I need to make sure to give credit to Mongoose where Matt said that they did painstaking work to make the models to scale, and I think they did a great job working from scratch drawings. I cannot even say which of the models is "more" accurate, but there is a small variance between the Corgi (M1A1) turret width and the MGP (M1A2). Basically, the Corgi turret is 'just under' 2" wide, and the MGP turret is 'just under' 1-3/4", or about 6mm narrower. From a visual appearance, the Corgi turret looks a bit nicer, but I can also say that I will be using both, with the majority of my MBTs being Mongoose models.

 

[BuShips]

Here is a "side-by-side" of a Corgi 1:64 die-cast USMC M1A1 circa 2003. I have (like Mr Evil) compared the chassis of the two, and the outer dimensions are dead-on. BTW, I'm not saying that either of them are accurate scale, but they are a match to each other at least. The Corgi is stated as 1:64, with the MGP model as the same iirc. While there is a small difference in the turret widths between the models, I'll be using the BFE MBTs mixed in with a few other proxy units, but mostly I'll be using MGP models. The Abrams from MGP was fresh out of the box yesterday. I colored in end of the barrel with a permanent marker and painted on some personal markings as crews did in WW2 (I hope they still allow troops to use distinctive art, or my troopers are in big trouble!). I touched up the boxes on the turret stowage (both of my cages were there with no problems) and then gave the model a quick wash-over with thinned brown acrylic artist ink. One thing that the MGP model has over the Corgi is the Tank Urban Survival Kit, which its crew was thrilled to get installed. :wink:

 

[Mr Evil]

the mgp one is the tuslk version that doesnt exist yet though in the corgi range, so thats probably the slight differance.

also dont forget until now we have been used to as gamers making do with oversized vehicles so much so and for so many years that they look more right than vehicles in the right scale.

also dont fogrt bases have an effect on overal height, if you removed the base from a mini his height should be the same if not a little higher than a hwwmv.

the diferance between a 1/72 and 1/65 is very small for a warrior its about 1/2" diferance approx. the chally mgp do for body size is spot on for 1/65 scale, maybe dragon got it slightly wrong, i measures my FOV T-72 and it looks to be more 1/68 scale than 1/72.

either way on the table it all looks great and plays great, i have a ton of the corgi M1A1s i used for playing befor the minis came out, and now i have the proper minis available i feel happier using the MGP ones over the corgi and fov ones, as proxy tanks they are great, but nothing beats the feel of using the correct product for me personaly.

but then thats just me.

 

[BuShips]

Mr Evil, the TUSK is just a kit that adds reactive armor to the sides, along with a few other modifications. It's not a different manufacturing model or subtype. Besides the factory placing these TUSK kits on Stateside, there are field kits that can be mounted on the tanks on-site. As I said, either tank works and like you I'll be using all of the official MGP models.

 

[Paladin]

I just noticed the smoke launchers are missing from the MP version. :shock:

 

[Mr Evil]

by the way i ,ike the tank modified paint job, ads real grrr

 

[Mr Evil]

found this site

could be of use to some people

http://miniatures.de/html/int/neu_list3.html

 

[BuShips]

by the way i ,ike the tank modified paint job, ads real grrr

"Tanks-a-lot" Mr Evil :wink: It started as a kind of twisted humor by tying in an old Fleetwood Mac album title into the reactive armor description. Then, I spun it over into the crew's 'pet name' for their tank, calling it "Big Tusk". If you google the album title and some events that transpired between the band members you might see the deeper joke that's there. So actually, there are deeper meanings to the tag-art for fans of the classic band. I won't say what they are here because this is a 'family' forum. But on the surface yes, it does have a certain 'Grrr' look to it .

 

[Fanaticus]

Hi guys,

So, is it a fact that Armour scale is on or about 1:64?

If so, so something like this could be used?

 

[Ben2]

If that is the MAtchboox 1:64 Bradley, definitely. Matchbox produced a limited range of 1:64 military vehicles (Abrams, Bradley, HMMWV) a couple of years ago, and they are perfectly in scale.

 

[Mr Evil]

bradley is corgi, tactical strike range out of production now but going cheap in shops and ebay.

scale is 1:64 as apposed to 1:65 as used by mgp, whats well in real world terms its about 4" so if you parked the 2 bradlesys next to each other in real world terms the differance would be about 4" basicly on a games table 1/4 of a mm !!!!! so its perfectly fine.

hope that made some sence