Scale (a new light and now with pics :D)

Mr Evil

Mongoose
ok a while back i brought up the subject of scale.

and in that i sugested say 20mm

now i am mistaken in one of my assumptions i thought standard matchbox and hotweels cars were infact scaled at 20mm ie 1:72. boy was i wrong it seems. todoay i got some tank and vehicle kits in 1:64, while mongoose say their system is 1:65 scale i believe (correct me if im wrong please)

i am aslo lucky enought o have a resiegn preproduction modle of the M1 and chall. so i took the M1 and compared it to the M1 kit i purchased, and their near s damnit exact in many ways. lenght is the same bar a few micron maybe, as is width.

so where am i going with this, well another kit from same manufacturer was also 1:64 and was a hummve so in theory this is going to be inscale with rest of mongoose bits.

excelent, this now gives me a standard vehicle to take out shopping for street cars as its hard to see the scale on many toy cars these days or trust them.

so i poped into a nortmal shop called woolworths, and went to the toy cars, and compared mine to whats available, in the 99p box toy cars on blisters their were hotweels and matchbox cars (the small scale for those companies) as well as chad valley (cheepy stuff) and there was a hummvee in each range :) perfect for comparison, and they all measured up through the packets as the same near as the eye can tell the same size !!!! only one with a scale underneath was the matchbox and it stated 1:64 scale brill.

i always thought matcbox where 1:72/20mm but their not infact their 25mm it seems, but then i remeber the old dark future figs !! would that be in scale, the answer NO the cars were always over sized for them for dramatical EE neffect.


the scale is perfect for street builders, but i would like confermation that what i have described isnt to far of from the truth on size.

if so my streets will be full of burnt cars.

also once this is confermed i hope it may help a few plan their streets, il try get some pics later.
 
ok picy time

the resign M1A2 is a mongoose one (preproduction that didnt se light of day) but acording to mongoose there working at a scale of 1:65, the other tank is scaled at 1:64 as are all the other vehicles, also the painted on is a M1A1 as aposed to a M1A2, ie in diference to turret size and barrel size. also the fig used for size comparison is a SST Light MI as i feel alot us have them and its a good example that thinking SST scale isnt the way to go ;) any question fire away.

ok the pics:

2tanks.jpg


allvehicles.jpg


carcomparison.jpg


comparedtoothers.jpg


outofbox.jpg


outofboxabove.jpg


sstcomparison.jpg


tape1.jpg


tape2.jpg


hope that may be of use to some of you guys.
 
ok back on scale.

from a few words a good size for a male is around 6ft although some call 5'10" so we shall just sit at a simple 180cm = a smidge under 5'11"

the scale has been called at 1:65 = 1800mm divided by 65 = 27.69 rounded up to 28mm

now the vehicles i have are 1:64 = 1800mm divided by 64 = 28.125 rounded down to 28mm

so their both pretty darn close as you can see, but at the same time suprisingly tall, i was sorta exspecting it to be between 22 and 25mm !!

i think this shows how unanatomicaly correct most minis in the industry are that we see !! wich at the same time is scarry !!!

ive got some very anatomicaly correct 32mm figs and they look skinny compared to most minis sorta like skinnies, but away from other minis they look good.
 
So I assume that BFE is true 28mm scale? If so those vehicles I bought are purfect scale(I wasn't clear about what I was saying when I was talking about my 30mm minis)...

Lets see: Fire truck, water truck, 3 convertables (ones wind shield is decimated), a beach buggy, and a garbage truck (out of scale :cry: ).
 
okies then we are golden, I got 10 for 10, at wally mart, all 1/64, including my '79 Gremlin.

The MI was about 30mm at eyes, the BFEov, have been measured at about 25-27mm at eyes, so it looks great.


Lee
 
well i was thinking, i have some old GZG figs i used formy oz force, o i dug a unit out from the bottom of the box.

the measure around 26-28mm to top of helm (its hard to measure) from bottom of feet.

so about the right size i think, and not to anatomicaly incorect.

so here they are with the vehicles.

withfigs.jpg

D7297.jpg


i hope this may all be of help to some of you. i was most suprised how well the scale worked with the car !!! realy realy looking forward to this relase evan more so now.
 
Are those stargrunt minis? And are they based on shoddy pence? :lol: , they look like something I would want for ultra modern minis, should have bought them a loooong time ago...
 
roughneck GIR said:
Are those stargrunt minis? And are they based on shoddy pence? :lol: , they look like something I would want for ultra modern minis, should have bought them a loooong time ago...

they are stargrunt figs and i removed the plastic gw bases of some of them and left the bases on others so you could see the diferance abase makes. the ones with no GW base are just on the bit of metal they are cast with.

as you can see they look pretty good wich again suprises me , probably due to being used to oversized vehicles in wargames.

wish mongoose ould add some comapritae scale pics to this, but i think ive got it right, untill i hear otherwise.
 
Looking good, I may have to get some 1:64th stuff, I have loads of common vehicles for an urban warfare game I do.
 
Is the black Hummer a standard Matchbox? Or, is it a bigger type. I can't imagine the figures being that small. I bought some 28mm Crescent Root buildings (whick are REALLY COOL), but, they would be way too big for matchbox cars....
 
Mac,

Those were the larger 1/64 scale cars, match box makes a noscale, all fit the same track, and then scale ones.


Lee
 
Mac V said:
Is the black Hummer a standard Matchbox? Or, is it a bigger type. I can't imagine the figures being that small. I bought some 28mm Crescent Root buildings (whick are REALLY COOL), but, they would be way too big for matchbox cars....

yup its the smaller of the 2 normal scales. ie the same scale that hot wheels and matchbox do.

but be carefull today i looked at 2 other hummwv in the matchbox range one was a concept while the other was a custom, one was scaled at 1:72 the other 1:64 (cant remember wich) but against each other they looked the same size till you looked at door frames, alot of the matchbox scale cars have a scale undernieth you can see through the packet, then compare them to other manafactures ;) 1:65 > 1:60 is good as you go from 1:66>1:72 it gets to small and 1:59>1:35 is to big,

hope that helps, would be nice for a heads up confermation from mongoose, but these are my findings so far.
 
Huh, those cars much be larger than I remember. I'm going to wait for the minis to arrive so I can just take one to Wal Mart. I printed a sheet of World Works sports cars, and without folding them, they seem bigger too.
 
id say 1:64 is more spot on that 1:65 to be honest as you need a bit of extra size to ofset a bit of fig base size.

but the 1:69 is to close to 1:72 and would look way undersize for the game, 1:66 is touch an go, in my eye.

but would make a good burnt out car on the street ;)
 
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