captainjack23
Cosmic Mongoose
rust said:
Really ? Hmmmm. Why don't you lean over the side of the boat there, and take a look........
RPG Realms has old Traveller Stuff for Sale
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Really ? Hmmmm. Why don't you lean over the side of the boat there, and take a look........
The Dark Avenger
Mongoose
That's interesting.... the RPGrealms site was orginally offering PDFs of the Judges Guild Gateway Sector materials... and now they're gone.
The remainder seem to all be physical books, which is legal of course.
PDFs of lapsed-license materials, as I understood it, were not legal for sale.
Looks like my interpretation of (ie guess at) the license sunset situation was right and PDF sales were *not* permitted after the end of the license.
Of course, FFE never responded to my query or even acknowledged it, but that's hardly new.
The remainder seem to all be physical books, which is legal of course.
PDFs of lapsed-license materials, as I understood it, were not legal for sale.
Looks like my interpretation of (ie guess at) the license sunset situation was right and PDF sales were *not* permitted after the end of the license.
Of course, FFE never responded to my query or even acknowledged it, but that's hardly new.
captainjack23
Cosmic Mongoose
The Dark Avenger said:
Well, looks like something happened, regardless.
The Dark Avenger
Mongoose
Yes, something has happened. I'd prefer to have discovered that it was OK to sell the PDFs, but at least now everyone is not doing it, if that makes any sense.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
I think the problem with pdf's is that you are, in effect, creating them which breaks the copywrite. Selling on an already purchased item is fine since as soon as the "owner" sells it they lose any control over its resale.
With PDFs I think the owner gives you the right to create them for a limited period. You could do a deal that says I buy from you and can then sell 2000 pdfs but I think its more a case of you can sell as many as you like as long as you pay us our share and we let you.
Its interesitng that an on line seller was, up until a short while ago, openly selling such PDFs and now is not. Perhaps someone here passed on the word of what was being discused and someone realised it became a possible legal defence and it was stomped on.
With PDFs I think the owner gives you the right to create them for a limited period. You could do a deal that says I buy from you and can then sell 2000 pdfs but I think its more a case of you can sell as many as you like as long as you pay us our share and we let you.
Its interesitng that an on line seller was, up until a short while ago, openly selling such PDFs and now is not. Perhaps someone here passed on the word of what was being discused and someone realised it became a possible legal defence and it was stomped on.
GamerDude
Cosmic Mongoose
The problem with PDFs, as I see it, is that it's electronic. Nothing physical and it's easy to say "stop giving out that file". Different laws etc. and it's easier to pass around the file once purchased... as WotC found out.
Physical books, as the Cap't said, get the benefit of "once sold, the publisher looses all control and say over that copy".
Physical books, as the Cap't said, get the benefit of "once sold, the publisher looses all control and say over that copy".
The Dark Avenger
Mongoose
I informed FFE and asked what the situation was, because either:
1. It was okay in which case I could also do it with the Avenger materials
or
2. It was not okay in which case RPGRealms should not be doing it.
Something seems to have happened, since the PDFs have been withdrawn.
FFE have not, of course, responded to my query.
1. It was okay in which case I could also do it with the Avenger materials
or
2. It was not okay in which case RPGRealms should not be doing it.
Something seems to have happened, since the PDFs have been withdrawn.
FFE have not, of course, responded to my query.
andrew boulton
Mongoose
Marc asked me to post this response:
The Dark Avenger
Mongoose
It's worth mentioning (because otherwise I look even more stupid than usual) that I asked for a formal license and was told it was not necessary.
I asked for clarification of various points of the license several times, including while I was in dispute with QLi over licensing issues.
FFE never answered my questions, never clarified the issues I asked for clarification of, and never even bothered to tell me about the license sunset.
This whole problem would not have occurred had they fulfilled what I see as obligations to a licensee (me) who paid his license fee on time and tried hard to comply with a license he had to guess at.
So it's not all about concern and misunderstanding...
But anyway, it looks like I can sell off the remaining 1248 books. Had I been informed of that when I asked for details of the license or its sunset some years ago, I'd not have ended up giving most of the remaining books to prospective clients as samples - I'd have sold them and made a return on them.
Still, this is better than nothing.
I asked for clarification of various points of the license several times, including while I was in dispute with QLi over licensing issues.
FFE never answered my questions, never clarified the issues I asked for clarification of, and never even bothered to tell me about the license sunset.
This whole problem would not have occurred had they fulfilled what I see as obligations to a licensee (me) who paid his license fee on time and tried hard to comply with a license he had to guess at.
So it's not all about concern and misunderstanding...
But anyway, it looks like I can sell off the remaining 1248 books. Had I been informed of that when I asked for details of the license or its sunset some years ago, I'd not have ended up giving most of the remaining books to prospective clients as samples - I'd have sold them and made a return on them.
Still, this is better than nothing.
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
DFW said:
Indeed.
andrew boulton
Mongoose
The Dark Avenger said:
IME Marc does seem to prefer a Gentleman's Agreement. He's always answered my questions though.
GamerDude
Cosmic Mongoose
Ahh for the day when people actually conducted major business dealings on their word and a handshake (maybe followed up with contract).DFW said:Yep, verbal contract are only worth the paper they are written on...GamerDude said:
Actual, in 1986 my wife and I were transferred from Texas to Dover AFB, Dover Delaware. Our first place where we could have a washer & dryer ever, and we tried buying from Sears... awful experience (and it came damaged too). We went to this little family owned one-store outfit, can't even remember their names. They were having a small sale, then gave us 10% military on top, we talked payment terms, delivery date and charge, and the salesman shook my hand on it all. Not a thing signed, no one else there to witness, we got the washer&dryer two days later and we just made the payments.
We went back 7 years later when we bought a house and purchased our refrigerator there, same deal.
If I were still in Dover, DE We'd still be buying our appliances from them. It's a shame more business' can't afford to trust people that way.
The Dark Avenger
Mongoose
I personally prefer a gentleman's agreement.
However, when someone fails to uphold a contract or an agreement, or just plain does not play fair with me, that offends me very deeply.
I've lost a lot of money over the years from trying to uphold Traveller-related agreements while the other party chooses not to.
My annoyance in this latest matter is a case in point - I've upheld my end of the agreement I had with FFE even when they were blatantly not upholding theirs. For example, I paid my license fee and tried to follow the terms of the license even though I could not get an answer out of FFE about exactly what those terms were.
In the end, my whole problem with FFE is that they have not played fair with me.
However, when someone fails to uphold a contract or an agreement, or just plain does not play fair with me, that offends me very deeply.
I've lost a lot of money over the years from trying to uphold Traveller-related agreements while the other party chooses not to.
My annoyance in this latest matter is a case in point - I've upheld my end of the agreement I had with FFE even when they were blatantly not upholding theirs. For example, I paid my license fee and tried to follow the terms of the license even though I could not get an answer out of FFE about exactly what those terms were.
In the end, my whole problem with FFE is that they have not played fair with me.
GamerDude
Cosmic Mongoose
now THAT I've got to hear... PM me if you want my skype ID so we can talk voice... and you share *evilly rubs hands together in anticipation*DFW said:GamerDude said:
Some day I'll have to tell you a funny story about my friend, a B-52, a moped & a flight from Dover to Northern CA...
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