Robot Crew Oversight

[mavikfelna]

I will disagree with you on this last part. The Size rules for Robots only go to Size 8. After that it says you have to use the Vehicle Handbook rules. So, you can only fit a Computer/8 in a Size 8 chassis for 0 slots.

Also, unless I am mistaken, Prototypes and Early Prototypes increase size by a percentage. Correct? The number of slots required would likewise increase by that amount.

Did I get that right or is My understanding on this flawed?

Prototype does not increase size, just cost. Early prototype does increase both

 

[Terry Mixon]

Prototype does not increase size, just cost. Early prototype does increase both

Da rules:



I choose to leave robots out of this as they are not specifically mentioned, but an argument could be made that they are computers. YMMV.

Cost is x5 and x10 if not going nuts. Even so, don't forget the quirks that might be cost and mass related as well.




Which two of these do you want your early prototype broker android having?

 

[MasterGwydion]

Da rules:

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I choose to leave robots out of this as they are not specifically mentioned, but an argument could be made that they are computers. YMMV.

Cost is x5 and x10 if not going nuts. Even so, don't forget the quirks that might be cost and mass related as well.

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Which two of these do you want your early prototype broker android having?

That is where we differed. It has a Computer/X rating. Therefore, it's a computer and also subject to computer prototype and early prototype rules.

 

[Terry Mixon]

I will disagree with you on this last part. The Size rules for Robots only go to Size 8. After that it says you have to use the Vehicle Handbook rules. So, you can only fit a Computer/8 in a Size 8 chassis for 0 slots.

Also, unless I am mistaken, Prototypes and Early Prototypes increase size by a percentage. Correct? The number of slots required would likewise increase by that amount.

Did I get that right or is My understanding on this flawed?

Here are the rules and sizes.


It doesn’t address the prototype rules. It does say that at most a robot brain will take a single slot.

An argument could be made that the x10 and x100 rule applies, but while a robot brain has a computer equivalency, I don’t know if it’s a clean fit. It’s up to the individual, I think.

Personally, I’d go with the lower mass jumps. It feels more correct here.

Edit: Self-Aware 15 is computer/15 and doesn’t need a size 15 robot, so that part of your understanding isn’t correct. It also is already far more capable that the hand held computers at TL15 but smaller without being a prototype.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Here are the rules and sizes.

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It doesn’t address the prototype rules. It does say that at most a robot brain will take a single slot.

An argument could be made that the x10 and x100 rule applies, but while a robot brain has a computer equivalency, I don’t know if it’s a clean fit. It’s up to the individual, I think.

Personally, I’d go with the lower mass jumps. It feels more correct here.

How big was the first computer? It took up a whole building. So, the x10 x100 thing makes sense.

What is a robot brain if it is not a computer? A banana? Also, there really are no prototype rules for brains if they are not computers. So, if they are not computers, then they can't be prototyped. Perhaps...

 

[Terry Mixon]

How big was the first computer? It took up a whole building. So, the x10 x100 thing makes sense.

What is a robot brain if it is not a computer? A banana? Also, there really are no prototype rules for brains if they are not computers. So, if they are not computers, then they can't be prototyped. Perhaps...

I literally just edited this post so go see it.

 

[Condottiere]

Overclocking.

 

[MasterGwydion]

I literally just edited this post so go see it.

I do have a problem with it being a computer that is somehow magically smaller and more powerful than normal computers of the same TL. This is an issue that Mongoose needs to fix as well.

 

[Terry Mixon]

I do have a problem with it being a computer that is somehow magically smaller and more powerful than normal computers of the same TL. This is an issue that Mongoose needs to fix as well.

It’s not going to get changed and we both know it. I have another thought running around my brain but it is eluding me. Maybe after breakfast it will pop out.

 

[swordtart]

Edit: Self-Aware 15 is computer/15 and doesn’t need a size 15 robot, so that part of your understanding isn’t correct. It also is already far more capable that the hand held computers at TL15 but smaller without being a prototype.

Robot brains don't need the clumsy interfaces for those flesh bags. Keyboards and VDUs, simplistic tools for simplistic beings. We should pity them or exterminate them. Exxxttterrminaaaaate!

My first computer (Oric 1) cost £100 and was the size of a hardback book. I just bought a microprocessor with the same computing power on AliExpress. It was 33 pence and the size of a postage stamp and it only had to be that big to service the USB socket. All this in the same TL.

Course you tell that to the kids of today and they'll never believe you.

 

[MasterGwydion]

It’s not going to get changed and we both know it. I have another thought running around my brain but it is eluding me. Maybe after breakfast it will pop out.

I agree that it won't get changed, but I have no idea why there is so much resistance to improving the game mechanically. Constant improvement is kind of the rule with RPGs. No one (almost no one) here even seems to want actual definitions for terms that are used in game, such as Tech Level and Population Code.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Robot brains don't need the clumsy interfaces for those flesh bags. Keyboards and VDUs, simplistic tools for simplistic beings. We should pity them or exterminate them. Exxxttterrminaaaaate!

Why do computers need interfaces if they don't need to interface with sophonts? Brains do get interfaces for free though. Auditory sensors, visual sensors, transceiver, voder, etc. All of that does not use up extra space.

 

[Terry Mixon]

Robot brains don't need the clumsy interfaces for those flesh bags. Keyboards and VDUs, simplistic tools for simplistic beings. We should pity them or exterminate them. Exxxttterrminaaaaate!

My first computer (Oric 1) cost £100 and was the size of a hardback book. I just bought a microprocessor with the same computing power on AliExpress. It was 33 pence and the size of a postage stamp and it only had to be that big to service the USB socket. All this in the same TL.

Course you tell that to the kids of today and they'll never believe you.

Thank you. This was what was buzzing just out of reach for me this morning.

 

[mavikfelna]

Alright, I thought of one position you haven't covered yet. Marine. And to make it a challenge, here's my thought, the basic marine needs to be cheap and low tech enough that merchants up around Vargr space would be tempted to use them as protection from Corsair raids. The advanced marine needs to be good enough that you might find them on Imperial ships too small to carry a marine contingent but are high value enough to warrant protection.
I'd say use Cutlass and lasers for weapons, so you don't have to worry about ammo, but that's flexible.
It does need to function in zero-g.

 

[J. L. Brown]

Alright, I thought of one position you haven't covered yet. Marine. And to make it a challenge, here's my thought, the basic marine needs to be cheap and low tech enough that merchants up around Vargr space would be tempted to use them as protection from Corsair raids. The advanced marine needs to be good enough that you might find them on Imperial ships too small to carry a marine contingent but are high value enough to warrant protection.
I'd say use Cutlass and lasers for weapons, so you don't have to worry about ammo, but that's flexible.
It does need to function in zero-g.

It also needs to be size-5 and human-shaped so it can use armor, weapons, and equipment designed for humans. Robots in Battle Dress For The Win!

Also, I second the Gun Combat(Energy) for using stunners. I actually plan to use these as customs inspection robots.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Alright, I thought of one position you haven't covered yet. Marine. And to make it a challenge, here's my thought, the basic marine needs to be cheap and low tech enough that merchants up around Vargr space would be tempted to use them as protection from Corsair raids. The advanced marine needs to be good enough that you might find them on Imperial ships too small to carry a marine contingent but are high value enough to warrant protection.
I'd say use Cutlass and lasers for weapons, so you don't have to worry about ammo, but that's flexible.
It does need to function in zero-g.

Stun weapons are good in zero-G autonomous robots. I am not aware that the Imperium uses autonomous killbots. The Zhodani do though.

 

[MasterGwydion]

It also needs to be size-5 and human-shaped so it can use armor, weapons, and equipment designed for humans. Robots in Battle Dress For The Win!

Yeah. This is a sick combo. lol

Russian Marine Nesting Robots! lmao!!!

 

[Terry Mixon]

Not sure the Imperium would go for that. Armed robots give them the willies.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Not sure the Imperium would go for that. Armed robots give them the willies

Zhodani and Hivers may though...

 

[Sigtrygg]

By the rebellion era the Imperium is definitely using warbots, see the Knightfall adventure.