Retro-Rockets Red Glare. A cold war solar system ATU

captainjack23

Cosmic Mongoose
I thought I'd open this up over here for comment. Now that I've basically completed Adventurer, I'm trying some smaller projects: you know, whole setting books. Likely will be developed for MGT, but right now, its all very system neutral.

1984: Red Stars and Rockets*
A retro-gritty setting for Traveller, exploring a lower tech, nonFTL cold war solar system.
( * Alternately, "Reds and Rockets", "Blows against the Evil Empire", "Spaceforce 1984" or, obviously, "Retro-Rockets Red Glare". any preferences ? )

What if: Most of the dreams of solar system travelling ships designed by the buzz-cut engineers of the 1950’s came true on the timelines they planned ? What if: Man on the Moon by 1960, moonbase by 1965, mars by 1970, inner and outer planets exploration by the 1980’s. What if: the engine that drove this wasn’t science or exploration, but rather the conflict of a simmering cold war, and the death struggle between the two superpowers and their ideologies ?

It is 1984. Space travel is real, extensive and highly militarized. Nukes shove the big Orions between planets, Gemini and Soyuz duel in orbits across the solar system, and elite forces fight on mars and the moons of Jupiter. Space is the battlefield of the cold war where Nukes are allowed. What happened ?

Having a few spare minutes last night, I actually got some writing done, so lookout world, here it comes !
My ongoing projects list includes "Red star and Rockets", billed as a retro traveller setting. In fact, it isn;t retro, per se -retro seems to be about the future of the 50's envisioned by the writers of the thirties and forties. What I'm hoping to create is a gritty late cold war in space, inspired by some plans for Orion Nuclear Space Battleships and a recent reread of the book "Blind mans Bluff", (an excellent history of the cold war from the point of view of the submariners of USA and USSR).


The overall goal is to try to build the setting with minimal “magitech” intrusion (Such as the old chestnut of Nikolii Tesla and/or zero point energy), producing a timeline that may push the envelope of likelihood, but not puncture it.

Consider it as rather like the endless “what if every single plan from WWII germany worked, was practical, successful, and could be put into actual production” alternate histories. Only (hopefully) not as ridiculous as the idea of a corrupt, broken, bankrupt economically crippled and war torn medium sized nation (Nazi Germany) suddenly producing and deploying orbital stations, next generation aircraft carriers and battleships, Antarctic bases and nuclear weapons (up to and including first generation fusion devices), land cruisers, supertanks, orbital bombers, stealthed jet interceptors and flying disks…..in two years. (Luftwaffe 1946 I’m looking at you, here). The focus would be on what would logically follow given the hard nosed plans of the actual engineers rather than this would be cool.(because, in fact, their plans were pretty damn cool.)

Secondarily, I want to severely limit anachronistic alternate future references. After the divergence point everything starts changing, so no, we wont see the same people born afterwards in New and Different Jobs for yuks as many alt histories love(“Justin Bieber, Space ranger”, then, is right out, although "Richard Nixon, Spy hunter" has some shine….)..

One rule in the SF business is that one is allowed three free handwaves (a.k.a. lies, damned lies, and FTL). What would those be for this setting ?

Improvement in cold war materials technology which would allow most designs for nuclear population to be produced and deployed, in particular: Orions, Salt NERVA.
A survivable, low grade nuclear war in 1950’s, and much warmer cold war as a result.
Major advances in “man in microgravity” handling.

Scientifically, I may add a solar system consistent with 1960’s knowledge –mainly with regard to Jupiter, cause I like it better with less radiation (unlike RRS Earth, which has somewhat more).

Finally, and this is just for my own dogheaded preferences, for a change, lets posit a space based military force without nautical Hornbloweresque wooden ships and iron men Space Navy sensibilities ‘fer heavens sake. The United States Aerospace Force vs. the Soviet Rocket Forces. No cruisers, admirals, dreadnaughts, marines, bridge, boatwains, etc.

Game Parameters

A few BIG ships and lots of Small Ships. Most player type ships will use smallcraft rules.
Reaction/nuclear propulsion for the big ones, reaction for the small ones.
No Grav. tech
Minimal Stealth.
Chargen focuses on the spaceforces of the various factions, plus some civilian agencies.( Western, Soviet,UN, Non-aligned, UNASA and “other”.)
Tech is solidly 1980's, but focused on defense production, with much less consumer development.


More to come. some history. Stuff.

Feel free to comment.
 
Dear CaptainJack,

Bravo ! I very much look forward to this project.

Spaceforce: 1984's milieu is indeed fascinating ! While I am a big fan of Tubepunk, Hornblower-in-Space and Tesla gadgets, I agree that a new approach is very refreshing. I'm quite intrigued by the premise of a survived small-scale nuclear war, and how the Cold War would have played out afterwards. It's also quite interesting how information technology now has progressed way beyond the wildest visions of the 1950s generation, but hard engineering is sadly quite behind.

The prospect of my favorite decade "re-imagined" is intoxicating ! Spaceforce:1984 could also breathe new life into our old Twilight: 2000 collections and other Cold War gaming goodness produced in the 1980s. In terms of visuals and props, Gerry Anderson's UFO and Space: 1999 would perhaps not be too out of place.

Cheers,

Gary

:D
 
Hmm ... if you imagine a space program which continued uninterrupted by
such minor nuisances like the Vietnam War, much of such a program pro-
bably would have realized the plans of the generation of space technology
pioneers like von Braun, Oberth or Sänger (and their counterparts working
for the Soviet Union). This means your setting would probably have those
huge wheel shaped orbital space stations and the Sänger spaceplanes, as
well as the monstrous Soviet rockets with several times the payload of a
Saturn V.

Apart from the USA and the Soviet Union, there would be few major play-
ers in space. I could imagine a space alliance of the United Kingdom and
France, with minor contributions from other European nations, and China
would probably be a junior partner of the Soviet Union. I doubt that the
United Nations would have a space presence, the USA and the Soviet Uni-
on would probably have used their veto powers to prevent any such com-
petition, and the Third World would want the money of the United Nations
spent for food aid and development, not for white elephants in space.
 
You could also find an existing system that is close to what you are looking for and modify it. The names could be close enough that all the players know who is who, but not quite Earth.

Then make it a red zone where the previous scout mission went undetected.

This may or may not defeat your original intentions.

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Space is the battlefield of the cold war where Nukes are allowed. What happened ?

A real atomic war happened. Sometime around 1950, with both sides tossing nasty little fission nukes and invading western Europe, China, the Mideast and etc.

In this timeline, in 1945, soviet forces captured SS Scientist Klaus Debner and much of his Nuclear weapons lab, research and prototypes. Stalin, already hard at work terrorizing Soviet science into replicating the Fat Man bomb, shoved this to the head of the queue and had a working micro nuke/dirty bomb by 1947. Accordingly, as the post war period began and the allies fell apart into east and west, Uncle Joe had his own bomb, with a better one on the way (the original A-Bomb project) had his plans for WW3 moved up two to three years. His IRL 1948 rearming surge happened a bit earlier, and similarly was applied to the satellites well before 1951.



By the 1948 Berlin crisis, Stalin was undeterred by the western A Bomb threat, and while the blockade played out much the same as in our world, it was just the prelude. In 1949, the USSR repudiated the armistice and four power agreement and moved across the Oder to “occupy Hitlerite Germany and prevent the rearming and resurrection of the third Reich in criminal and treacherous alliance with the fascist infiltrated west”…or so the Soviet announcement declared. At H hour, Soviet and Satellite Tanks and troops crossed into the allied occupation zones, preceeded by nuclear attacks on a west that still believed that the bomb was a monopoly for another five years. Debner designed tactical nukes cut the Rhine bridges, and were detonated in the major German north sea ports and Western German cities in the allied occupation zones. Fat man bombs hit Amsterdam, Brussels, London and New York. Communist uprisings in Italy and France destroyed Italy (now partitioned) and led to a bloody rightwing suppression in France. Despite assurances that the red army would not cross the Rhine, the balloon went up. After the remains of the French army joined the NATO forces the red army did cross the Rhine after defeating the NATO counterattack through Stuttgart, but was isolated by nuclear strikes on the German side of the Rhine, and re-enforcements were blocked by nuclear strikes along the Vistula “from Gdansk to the Slovak Border”.



Both sides ground to a halt. By early 1950, the United states had developed and deployed tactical bombs similar to the soviets, but no Allied troops existed east of the Rhine; however Soviet attempts to concentrate for an offensive were brutally nuked. Any NATO hesitation about using atomic weapons over German territory disappeared with the destruction of the Rhine crossings and cities in the first hours of the war.

[details later if wanted…..just lets skip ahead]


Result: three to five years of ABC war in Europe (spreading to China and Korea, and he middle east) with no clear winner, but several clear losers (Korea, China, Japan, Germany, Benelux, Italy, Poland and most of eastern Europe, Turkey, Iran, Iraq). Europe and SE Asia were essentially trashed, but the homelands of the two alliances ( USA and USSR) suffering significantly less damage (no ICBMs, and not too many ways to deliver bombs across intercontinental distances); both sides locked in a brutal stalemate, which has turned to space for resolution.

More hot clashes follow as the space race starts up in 1953, and is even more frenzied, makeshift, and armed. By 1984, the Earthside damage from two orbital wars and a series of smaller orbital clashes across the 1960's has lead to demilitarization of CisLunar space, administered by a very different United Nations. Beyond that, as the sea dogs of Elizabethan England said, " no peace beyond the line !".
 
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