Real Universe Traveller

[DaltonCalford]

Project Goals

Show the use of alternate generation methods, sources of information within the framework of Traveller.

Design Goals
Using publicly available resources and as many free software tools as possible, to generate a series of fully detailed star systems along with details of all processes and procedures used.

Software Used

Astrosynthesis 2 (www.nbos.com) Commercial
FirebirdSQL 2.01 (www.ibphoenix.com) Free
yED Graphic Editor (http://www.yworks.com/en/products_yed_about.html) Free
any plain text editor
Any SVG complient browser.
Spreadsheet program - I am using openoffice which is free www.openoffice.org


I am keeping the use of NBOS AS2 product as it is definately the best in it's class for this type of number chugging.

I will refrain from detailing the installation steps for each of the software packages until the entire project is detailed.

Source of Stellar Data

http://www.astronexus.com/node/34

Using the HYG 2.0 database. Please read the notes concerning this database as it is the source of all cartographic data and the notes will answer any questions about it's source and about what it contains.

Most of the notes will be done live as I am going through the steps on my own machine, including the creation of a dedicated virtual machine to host my progress.

Feel free to post questions after the details posts - The detail posts will be constantly updated so read those as the project progresses

best regards

Dalton

 

[DaltonCalford]

The Source Data

• 
  1. StarID: The database primary key from a larger "master database" of stars.
  
  2. HIP : The Hipparcos identity number
  
  3. HD: The star's ID in the Henry Draper catalog, if known.
  
  4. HR: The star's ID in the Harvard Revised catalog, which is the same as its number in the Yale Bright Star Catalog.
  
  5. Gliese: The star's ID in the third edition of the Gliese Catalog of Nearby Stars.
  
  6. BayerFlamsteed: The Bayer / Flamsteed designation, from the Fifth Edition of the Yale Bright Star Catalog. This is a combination of the two designations. The Flamsteed number, if present, is given first; then a three-letter abbreviation for the Bayer Greek letter; the Bayer superscript number, if present; and finally, the three-letter constellation abbreviation. Thus Alpha Andromedae has the field value "21Alp And", and Kappa1 Sculptoris (no Flamsteed number) has "Kap1Scl".
  
  7. ProperName: A common name for the star, such as "Barnard's Star" or "Sirius". I have taken these names primarily from the Hipparcos project's web site, which lists representative names for the 150 brightest stars and many of the 150 closest stars. I have added a few names to this list. Most of the additions are designations from catalogs mostly now forgotten (e.g., Lalande, Groombridge, and Gould ["G."]) except for certain nearby stars which are still best known by these designations.
  
  8. RA: The star's right ascension
  
  9. Dec: declination, for epoch 2000.0. Stars present only in the Gliese Catalog, which uses 1950.0 coordinates, have had these coordinates precessed to 2000.
  
  10. Distance: The star's distance in parsecs, the most common unit in astrometry. To convert parsecs to light years, multiply by 3.262. A value of 10000000 indicates missing or dubious (e.g., negative) parallax data in Hipparcos.
  
  9. Mag: The star's apparent visual magnitude.
  
  10. AbsMag: The star's absolute visual magnitude (its apparent magnitude from a distance of 10 parsecs).
  
  11. Spectrum: The star's spectral type, if known.
  
  12. ColorIndex: The star's color index (blue magnitude - visual magnitude), where known.
  
  13. X,Y,Z: The Cartesian coordinates of the star, in a system based on the equatorial coordinates as seen from Earth. +X is in the direction of the vernal equinox (at epoch 2000), +Z towards the north celestial pole, and +Y in the direction of R.A. 6 hours, declination 0 degrees.
  
  14. VX,VY,VZ: The Cartesian velocity components of the star, in the same coordinate system described immediately above. They are determined from the proper motion and the radial velocity (when known). The velocity unit is parsecs per year; these are small values (around 10-5 to 10-6), but they enormously simplify calculations using parsecs as base units for celestial mapping.
  

The source database has 120,000 entries and since it contains the entire Hipparcos near star catalog, it has entries beyond 10,000 ly (3050pc+)

We need to strip out any stars that are beyond our needed radius.
To keep the dataset small, lets say 50 pc in radius from earth - a sphere of 325 ly from earth.
With the database containing the individual stars, we need to determine which stars are actually binary or close systems.
We also need to convert the data so that it can be imported into AS2.

With those goals in mind we set out with a text editor and a spread sheet program.

Open the data in a text editor.
Select the first 60,000 rows of data, copy them
Paste them into a spreadsheet (most spreadsheets handle at least 65,556 rows so you should be safe here. If yours does not, select fewer rows at a time)
Make sure that you tell the spread sheet that you are pasting plain text and that you are using a comma for the column separator.
The spreadsheet allows you to quickly manipulate the data without any special knowledge or abilities.

Once you have a block of rows in the spreadsheet, select everything and sort it by the distance column. (the tenth column, J on spreadsheets that use letters)

After it is sorted, simply delete any rows that are greater than the distance you wish to work with. In our case, any systems with a value greater than 50 (the distance is already listed in parsecs)

Once you have deleted the unnessary rows, you now need to convert the data into a format that is used in AS2.

Here is the AS2 data format.

• 
  1. Body Type. This must be "Star", "White Dwarf", or "Multiple".
  
  2· System ID. This is a number that all members of a multiple star system must share. If multiple consecutive entries with the same System ID are found in the file, each entry will be assigned into a multiple star system.
  
  3· Name. This is the display name of the system. For example, "Alpha Centuri"
  
  4· X. This is the system's X coordinate, in light years.
  
  5· Y. This is the system's X coordinate, in light years.
  
  6· Z. This is the system's X coordinate, in light years.
  
  7· Mass. This is the body's mass, relative to our sun (Sol)
  
  8· Radius. This is the body's radius, relative to our sun.
  
  9· Luminosity. This is the body's luminosity, relative to our sun.
  
  10 · Spectral Class. This is the spectral class of the body. For example, 'G2V'.
  
  11· Color. This is the color of the body, as stored in the format #RRGGBB (similar to an HTML color format).
  
  12· Notes. Any notes you wish assigned to the body

Now, we can easily just cut/copy/paste the columns to match up with the format that AS2 wants, but, we should remember that the original data does not list multiple star systems(binaries, trinaries), or with traveller in mind, close stars.

We need to review the data and find out what stars are parts of larger systems.

For my own method, any stars that share XYZ coordinates, or are within 1.5ly of each other are all parts of the same system. Your mileage may vary, but that worked for me. For each of the multiple systems, I ended looking up the values in various sources to see what the experts had to say about the star/system.

Since I am doing this from scratch, I am going to pause in my details for a bit to see if anyone has other plans or ideas for how to determine multiple systems.

As this is a group howto I figure I should now wait and see if their are any comments.

 

[DaltonCalford]

I was hoping that I would get some feedback from the group as to specifications about what they considered part of the same system, jump values etc.

Since I have decided to do all the work over again, with the updated star data (when I first did this, their where only 87,000 stars in the 10,000 ly sphere, but now the list is up to 120,000 stars in the same volume of space)

Now here are the assumptions I am making. Since I have had no feedback from the group as to jump distances, you need to either live with them or do the work yourself.

Before I continue - would someone with spare web space let me know where I can post the final items as I do not have a web server to throw this stuff on.

I am posting final maps, static html pages and csv files, so I really do not need any sort of databases or cgi.

Now back to the assumptions

1. If one or more stars are within 1.63 ly of each other, they are part of a single "group" or in traveller terms, they are in the same hex.
2. If one of more stars are within .5 ly of each other, they are a binary or more system, and they are placed as children of a "multiple" system.

Routes will be generated as follows

Group - all stars within 1.63ly of another star
J1 - all stars farther than 1.63 ly but closer than 4.89 ly
J2 - all stars farther than 4.89 ly but closer than 8.15 ly
J3 - all stars farther than 8.15 ly but closer than 11.41 ly
J4 - all stars farther than 11.41 ly but closer than 14.67 ly
J5 - all stars farther than 14.67 ly but closer than 17.93 ly
J6 - all stars farther than 17.93 ly but closer than 21.19 ly

As real world systems do not nicely land in the centre of a parsec based hex grid, I gave a spread of half a parsec to the calculations.

Remember each calculation is based upon the current star, so when you are finished, you have a list of links to all the adjoining stars.

These links are NOT tradelinks, they are travel links.

Also, this is just the first step in the process as once we have built the links, we then export the data, manipulate it again to create the multiple systems, then re-import it to the system.

Here is one more question - do not be quiet about this one as I need an answer.

AS2 will generate very realistic solar systems for every system we tell it to.
From that, we can analyse the data and come up with Traveller style data.

OR

We generate Traveller style data without regards to what the latest astronomy calculations are coming up with.

I personally went with using what AS2 produced for physical data and Traveller (original WBH) for population data.

Speak up now or you will not get what you want.

 

[DaltonCalford]

Well,
The forums formatting ability is lacking, but, from what you can see from what I posted, I have a simple lookup table for correlating the stars spectrum to it's luminosity, mass and radius (in sol's) (Thank you book 6)

Now I am matching up the 120,000 stars to their corresponding data.
This is taking 10 hours so far on my poor abused laptop.

It should be down by noon so that I can produce a file that I will post to NBOS's site.

More details to follow.

Spectrum	LUMINOSITY	RADII	MASS
A0D  	               0.01	          0.02	   0.36
A0Ia 	           107000	     135	18
A0Ib 	             15000    	        50	  16
A0II 	               2200	         18	    14
A0III	                 280	         6.2	    12
A0IV 	                 156	         4.5	     6
A0V  	90	3.2	3.2
A1D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A1Ia 	102000	138	17
A1Ib 	14300	51	15
A1II 	1930	17	13.4
A1III	240	5.9	11.4
A1IV 	132.2	4.1	5.6
A1V  	75.2	2.92	2.98
A2D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A2Ia 	97000	141	17
A2Ib 	13700	52	15
A2II 	1660	16	12.8
A2III	200	5.6	10.8
A2IV 	108.4	3.8	5.2
A2V  	60	2.64	2.76
A3D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A3Ia 	91000	143	16
A3Ib 	13000	53	14
A3II 	1390	16	12.2
A3III	170	5.2	10.2
A3IV 	84.6	3.4	4.8
A3V  	45.6	2.36	2.54
A4D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A4Ia 	86000	146	16
A4Ib 	12400	54	14
A4II 	1120	15	11.6
A4III	130	4.9	9.6
A4IV 	60.8	3.1	4.4
A4V  	30.8	2.08	2.32
A5D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A5Ia 	81000	149	15
A5Ib 	11700	55	13
A5II 	850	14	11
A5III	90	4.6	9
A5IV 	37	2.7	4
A5V  	16	1.8	2.1
A6D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A6Ia 	77000	154	15
A6Ib 	10800	56	13
A6II 	800	14	10.8
A6III	80	4.6	8.8
A6IV 	33.4	2.7	3.7
A6V  	14.42	1.78	2.02
A7D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A7Ia 	73000	159	14
A7Ib 	10000	57	13
A7II 	750	15	10.6
A7III	80	4.6	8.6
A7IV 	29.8	2.7	3.4
A7V  	12.84	1.76	1.94
A8D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A8Ia 	69000	164	14
A8Ib 	9100	57	12
A8II 	700	15	10.4
A8III	70	4.7	8.4
A8IV 	26.2	2.7	3.1
A8V  	11.26	1.74	1.86
A9D  	0.01	0.02	0.36
A9Ia 	65000	169	13
A9Ib 	8300	58	12
A9II 	650	16	10.2
A9III	60	4.7	8.2
A9IV 	22.6	2.7	2.8
A9V  	9.68	1.72	1.78
B0D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B0Ia 	560000	52	60
B0Ib 	270000	30	50
B0II 	170000	22	30
B0III	107000	16	25
B0IV 	81000	13	20
B0V  	56000	10	18
B1D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B1Ia 	489000	57	54
B1Ib 	225300	31	45
B1II 	139720	22	28
B1III	86940	14.8	23
B1IV 	65200	11.5	18
B1V  	45080	8.88	15.7
B2D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B2Ia 	418000	61	48
B2Ib 	180700	32	40
B2II 	109440	21	26
B2III	66880	13.6	21
B2IV 	49400	9.9	16
B2V  	34160	7.76	13.4
B3D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B3Ia 	346000	66	42
B3Ib 	136000	33	35
B3II 	79160	21	24
B3III	46820	12.4	19
B3IV 	33600	8.4	14
B3V  	23240	6.64	11.1
B4D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B4Ia 	275000	70	36
B4Ib 	91400	34	30
B4II 	48880	20	22
B4III	26760	11.2	17
B4IV 	17800	6.8	12
B4V  	12320	5.52	8.8
B5D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B5Ia 	204000	75	30
B5Ib 	46700	35	25
B5II 	18600	20	20
B5III	6700	10	15
B5IV 	2000	5.3	10
B5V  	1400	4.4	6.5
B6D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B6Ia 	185000	87	28
B6Ib 	40400	38	23
B6II 	15320	20	18.8
B6III	5420	9.2	14.4
B6IV 	1631.2	5.1	9.2
B6V  	1138	4.16	5.84
B7D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B7Ia 	165000	99	25
B7Ib 	34000	41	21
B7II 	12040	19	17.6
B7III	4130	8.5	13.8
B7IV 	1262.4	5	8.4
B7V  	876	3.92	5.18
B8D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B8Ia 	146000	111	23
B8Ib 	27700	44	20
B8II 	8760	19	16.4
B8III	2850	7.7	13.2
B8IV 	893.6	4.8	7.6
B8V  	614	3.68	4.52
B9D  	0.05	0.02	0.26
B9Ia 	126000	123	20
B9Ib 	21300	47	18
B9II 	5480	18	15.2
B9III	1560	7	12.6
B9IV 	524.8	4.7	6.8
B9V  	352	3.44	3.86
F0D  	0	0.01	0.42
F0Ia 	61000	174	13
F0Ib 	7400	59	12
F0II 	600	16	10
F0III	53	4.7	8
F0IV 	19	2.7	2.5
F0V  	8.1	1.7	1.7
F1D  	0	0.01	0.42
F1Ia 	59000	180	13
F1Ib 	6900	59	12
F1II 	580	16	9.6
F1III	50	4.8	7.4
F1IV 	17.6	2.7	2.4
F1V  	7.18	1.64	1.62
F2D  	0	0.01	0.42
F2Ia 	57000	186	13
F2Ib 	6500	59	11
F2II 	560	17	9.2
F2III	50	4.9	6.8
F2IV 	16.2	2.7	2.3
F2V  	6.26	1.58	1.54
F3D  	0	0.01	0.42
F3Ia 	55000	192	12
F3Ib 	6000	60	11
F3II 	550	17	8.9
F3III	50	5	6.2
F3IV 	14.8	2.6	2.2
F3V  	5.34	1.52	1.46
F4D  	0	0.01	0.42
F4Ia 	53000	198	12
F4Ib 	5600	60	10
F4II 	530	18	8.5
F4III	50	5.1	5.6
F4IV 	13.4	2.6	2.1
F4V  	4.42	1.46	1.38
F5D  	0	0.01	0.42
F5Ia 	51000	204	12
F5Ib 	5100	60	10
F5II 	510	18	8.1
F5III	43	5.2	5
F5IV 	12	2.6	2
F5V  	3.5	1.4	1.3
F5VI 	0.98	1.14	0.8
F6D  	0	0.01	0.42
F6Ia 	54000	223	12
F6Ib 	5300	65	10
F6II 	520	19	8.1
F6III	40	5.6	4.5
F6IV 	10.9	2.6	1.95
F6V  	3.04	1.33	1.25
F6VI 	0.85	1.12	0.76
F7D  	0	0.01	0.42
F7Ia 	57000	242	12
F7Ib 	5500	70	10
F7II 	530	21	8.1
F7III	50	6	4
F7IV 	9.8	2.6	1.9
F7V  	2.58	1.25	1.2
F7VI 	0.72	1.09	0.72
F8D  	0	0.01	0.42
F8Ia 	61000	260	12
F8Ib 	5700	74	10
F8II 	540	22	8.1
F8III	50	6.3	3.5
F8IV 	8.7	2.5	1.85
F8V  	2.13	1.18	1.14
F8VI 	0.58	1.07	0.68
F9D  	0	0.01	0.42
F9Ia 	64000	279	12
F9Ib 	5900	79	10
F9II 	550	24	8.1
F9III	50	6.7	3
F9IV 	7.6	2.5	1.8
F9V  	1.67	1.1	1.09
F9VI 	0.45	1.04	0.64
G0D  	0	0.01	0.63
G0Ia 	67000	298	12
G0Ib 	6100	84	10
G0II 	560	25	8.1
G0III	50	7.1	2.5
G0IV 	6.5	2.5	1.75
G0V  	1.21	1.03	1.04
G0VI 	0.32	1.02	0.6
G1D  	0	0.01	0.63
G1Ia 	71000	329	12
G1Ib 	6500	93	10
G1II 	600	27	8.5
G1III	60	7.9	2.6
G1IV 	6.18	2.6	1.8
G1V  	1.1	1.01	1.02
G1VI 	0.3	0.93	0.59
G2D  	0	0.01	0.63
G2Ia 	76000	360	12
G2Ib 	6900	102	11
G2II 	630	30	8.9
G2III	60	8.7	2.8
G2IV 	5.86	2.6	1.85
G2V  	1	0.98	1
G2VI 	0	0.83	0.57
G3D  	0	0.01	0.63
G3Ia 	80000	392	13
G3Ib 	7300	110	11
G3II 	670	32	9.2
G3III	70	9.4	2.9
G3IV 	5.54	2.7	1.9
G3V  	0.89	0.96	0.98
G3VI 	0.24	0.74	0.56
G4D  	0	0.01	0.63
G4Ia 	85000	423	13
G4Ib 	7700	119	12
G4II 	700	35	9.6
G4III	70	10.2	3.1
G4IV 	5.22	2.7	1.95
G4V  	0.78	1	0.96
G4VI 	0.21	1	0.54
G5D  	0	0.01	0.63
G5Ia 	89000	454	13
G5Ib 	8100	128	12
G5II 	740	37	10
G5III	75	11	3.2
G5IV 	4.9	2.8	2
G5V  	0.67	0.91	0.94
G5VI 	0.19	0.55	0.53
G6D  	0	0.01	0.63
G6Ia 	91000	494	13
G6Ib 	8800	146	12
G6II 	770	40	10.2
G6III	80	12	3.4
G6IV 	4.85	2.9	2.06
G6V  	0.62	1	0.92
G6VI 	0.17	1	0.51
G7D  	0	0.01	0.63
G7Ia 	92000	534	13
G7Ib 	9500	163	12
G7II 	800	44	10.4
G7III	80	13	3.5
G7IV 	4.81	3	2.12
G7V  	0.57	0.91	0.89
G7VI 	0.16	0.49	0.49
G8D  	0	0.01	0.63
G8Ia 	94000	574	14
G8Ib 	10300	181	13
G8II 	830	47	10.6
G8III	90	14	3.7
G8IV 	4.76	3.1	2.18
G8V  	0.52	0.91	0.87
G8VI 	0.15	0.46	0.47
G9D  	0	0.01	0.63
G9Ia 	95000	614	14
G9Ib 	11000	198	13
G9II 	860	51	10.8
G9III	90	15	3.8
G9IV 	4.72	3.2	2.24
G9V  	0.47	1	0.85
G9VI 	0.13	0	0.45
K0D  	0	0.01	0.83
K0Ia 	97000	654	14
K0Ib 	11700	216	13
K0II 	890	54	11
K0III	95	16	4
K0IV 	4.67	3.3	2.3
K0V  	0.42	0.91	0.83
K0VI 	0.12	0.4	0.43
K1D  	0	0.01	0.83
K1Ia 	99000	725	15
K1Ib 	13400	251	14
K1II 	1200	68	11.6
K1III	140	21.2	4.2
K1IV 	4.67	3.3	2.3
K1V  	0.35	0.84	1
K1VI 	0.1	0.38	0
K2D  	0	0.01	0.83
K2Ia 	101000	796	16
K2Ib 	15200	286	14
K2II 	1510	82	12.2
K2III	190	26.4	4.4
K2IV 	4.67	3.3	2.3
K2V  	0.28	0.77	0.72
K2VI 	0.08	0.36	0.39
K3D  	0	0.01	0.83
K3Ia 	103000	868	16
K3Ib 	16900	322	15
K3II 	1830	96	12.8
K3III	230	31.6	4.6
K3IV 	4.67	3.3	2.3
K3V  	0.22	0.7	0.67
K3VI 	0.06	0.35	0.37
K4D  	0	0.01	0.83
K4Ia 	105000	939	17
K4Ib 	18700	357	15
K4II 	2140	110	13.4
K4III	280	36.8	4.8
K4IV 	4.67	3.3	2.3
K4V  	0.15	0.63	0.62
K4VI 	0.04	0.33	0.35
K5D  	0	0.01	0.83
K5Ia 	107000	1010	18
K5Ib 	20400	392	16
K5II 	2450	124	14
K5III	320	42	5
K5V  	0.08	0.57	0.57
K5VI 	0.03	0.31	0.33
K6D  	0	0.01	0.83
K6Ia 	109000	1101	18
K6Ib 	25500	485	16
K6II 	2880	147	14
K6III	350	46.2	5.3
K6V  	0.07	0.56	0.55
K6VI 	0.02	0.3	0.3
K7D  	0	0.01	0.83
K7Ia 	111000	1193	19
K7Ib 	30600	578	16
K7II 	3310	169	14
K7III	380	50.4	5.5
K7V  	0.06	0.56	0.54
K7VI 	0.02	0.29	0.26
K8D  	0	0.01	0.83
K8Ia 	113000	1284	19
K8Ib 	35800	671	16
K8II 	3740	192	14
K8III	410	54.6	5.8
K8V  	0.06	0.56	0.52
K8VI 	0.02	0.28	0.22
K9D  	0	0.01	0.83
K9Ia 	115000	1376	20
K9Ib 	40900	764	16
K9II 	4170	214	14
K9III	440	58.8	6
K9V  	0.05	0.55	0.51
K9VI 	0.01	0.27	0.19
M0D  	0	0.01	1.11
M0Ia 	117000	1467	20
M0Ib 	46000	857	16
M0II 	4600	237	14
M0III	470	63	6.3
M0V  	0.04	0.55	0.49
M0VI 	0.01	0.26	0.15
M1D  	0	0.01	1.11
M1Ia 	119000	1778	21
M1Ib 	54600	1100	17
M1II 	6660	332	14.4
M1III	830	96	6.5
M1V  	0.03	0.51	0.46
M1VI 	0.01	0.23	0.14
M2D  	0	0.01	1.11
M2Ia 	122000	2088	22
M2Ib 	63200	1343	18
M2II 	8720	427	14.8
M2III	1190	129	6.7
M2V  	0.03	0.47	0.43
M2VI 	0.01	0.2	0.13
M3D  	0	0.01	1.11
M3Ia 	124000	2399	23
M3Ib 	71800	1587	18
M3II 	10780	522	15.2
M3III	1560	162	7
M3V  	0.02	0.43	0.39
M3VI 	0.01	0.17	0.12
M4D  	0	0.01	1.11
M4Ia 	127000	2709	24
M4Ib 	80400	1830	19
M4II 	12840	617	15.6
M4III	1920	195	7.2
M4V  	0.01	0.4	0.36
M4VI 	0	0.13	0.11
M5D  	0	0.01	1.11
M5Ia 	129000	3020	25
M5Ib 	89000	2073	20
M5II 	14900	712	16
M5III	2280	228	7.4
M5V  	0.01	0.36	0.33
M5VI 	0	0.1	0.1
M6D  	0	0.01	1.11
M6Ia 	132000	3140	26
M6Ib 	96000	2274	21
M6II 	15230	767	16.5
M6III	2380	261	7.9
M6V  	0.01	0.32	0.3
M6VI 	0	0.09	0.22
M7D  	0	0.01	1.11
M7Ia 	135000	3260	28
M7Ib 	103000	2475	23
M7II 	15550	822	17
M7III	2490	294	8.3
M7V  	0	0.28	0.27
M7VI 	0	0.08	0.34
M8D  	0	0.01	1.11
M8Ia 	138000	3379	29
M8Ib 	110000	2675	24
M8II 	15880	876	17.5
M8III	2590	327	8.8
M8V  	0	0.24	0.24
M8VI 	0	0.07	0.46
M9D  	0	0.01	1.11
M9Ia 	141000	3499	30
M9Ib 	117000	2876	25
M9II 	16200	931	18
M9III	2690	360	9.2
M9V  	0	0.2	0.22
M9VI 	0	0.05	0.58

 

[captainjack23]

Hi -

I waited....really I did.
Treat this as a bump ?

I am keeping the use of NBOS AS2 product as it is definately the best in it's class for this type of number chugging.

I'm actually interested in this topic both as a traveller player and a number chugger: what is the above software ?

 

[Deniable]

The website is here. It's basically a sector generator / editor / viewer but with 3D maps. While you're there, I'm finding Inspiration Pad is pretty cool, too.

 

[DaltonCalford]

Hi -

I waited....really I did.
Treat this as a bump ?

I am keeping the use of NBOS AS2 product as it is definately the best in it's class for this type of number chugging.

I'm actually interested in this topic both as a traveller player and a number chugger: what is the above software ?

Hi, Sorry about the delay, but I threw my back out while shovelling snow.
We have gotten 45 cm in the past 36 hours (18" roughly).
Between the drifts and the accompanying freezing rain, my back started to give out so I have kept away from the computer.

Now I am starting to feel better, but I am under the influence of lots of pain pills so if I type something that does not make sense, just let me know and I will fix it.



The NBOS AS2 software is the only for pay program that I list but I really recommend it. You can purchase it from www.drivethrurpg.com or www.rpgnow.com

 

[DaltonCalford]

Please let me know if I miss something or if I am not clear as I have a tendency to assume a level of knowledge of the reader that may not be there.

Thanks

 

[Golan2072]

Are you going to "flatten" the universe as well, i.e. convert it from the RL 3D to Traveller's 2D subsectors?

 

[DaltonCalford]

Are you going to "flatten" the universe as well, i.e. convert it from the RL 3D to Traveller's 2D subsectors?

Hi Golan2072,

Yes, I am going to have the whole thing based upon relational routes and not direction or fixed distance (distance is used in the building of the relationships, but not in the placement upon the map).

What this means is that if one system is within X distance of another system, then a relational route is created.

Then, all those systems and the links between them are exported to a program called yED which is a free charting/graphing program.

yED is very nice in that you can tell it to automatically layout all the entities so that they do not overlap and sot that the lines mostly do not overlap.

From that you put a hex background and just nudge the systems to fit the grid.

The final result is a map that looks like a traveller map, but, all connections are based upon the distances between the systems in the real universe using the latest commonly published stellar cartography.

I have done this for my gaming universe and I am detailing the steps I took.

What I am looking for is feedback on the process to make sure it is understood while also making sure people are interested in this and that I am not just filling up the forum with useless material.

 

[DaltonCalford]

I have finished the write up but I am not seeing any responses to my earlier posts/questions so I assume this topic is not interesting to the forum so I am stopping my work on it.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

NO just the opposite.

I understand what you want us to do there and I am waiting for Parts 2 and 3 to be filled in!

Silence is baited breath, not vacuumous disinterest!

PLEASE finish the process!

 

[-Daniel-]

NO just the opposite.

I understand what you want us to do there and I am waiting for Parts 2 and 3 to be filled in!

Silence is baited breath, not vacuumous disinterest!

PLEASE finish the process!

I agree, I was waiting to read parts 2 and 3 that you left place holders for.

Daniel

 

[Sturn]

I've always been intestested in such a map. I might use such a map if it turned out it didn't mess with certain canon ideas in Traveller (which probably would be difficult). I once set out to do this myself, then realized the enormity of it. Please do the work for me!

For example, the rifts would be a problem. Unless you are lucky, the rifts that helped create such things as the bottle-neck of Deneb would not be found. You can't get to Earth from the Imperium using a jump-1 (or was it jump-2?). If this was not the case, the history would be altered.

To help with this, you could alter the distane of a jump-1. It wouldn't have to be 3.26 LYs, just whatever worked nicely.

Then it would be fun to use the real stars to place Traveller systems. A.i. I would have no problem referring to the real star of DM+2 H1468 as Regina. Of course the numerical names of star systems would garner a common name as the systems were colonized.

 

[Stuie]

Me too!

(sorry for the me too! post, but I'd really like to see this stuff)

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Regarding using AS2 or Traveller as the start of the solar systems, I don't really know. I don't have any experience with AS2, so I don't know what "realistic" solar systems it produces.

What are the chances of a habitable planet around a G2v single star for example? How many M5v stars will have habitable planets (or planets at all). What does it use to determine how many (and what size) of Gas Giants?

While the CT data is obviously not right for the number of habitable planets it produces, I don't really know what to compare it to.

Without going into excruciating detail, Dalton, can you give us a short summary of what kind of planetary systems is produces?

 

[DaltonCalford]

Regarding using AS2 or Traveller as the start of the solar systems, I don't really know. I don't have any experience with AS2, so I don't know what "realistic" solar systems it produces.

What are the chances of a habitable planet around a G2v single star for example? How many M5v stars will have habitable planets (or planets at all). What does it use to determine how many (and what size) of Gas Giants?

While the CT data is obviously not right for the number of habitable planets it produces, I don't really know what to compare it to.

Without going into excruciating detail, Dalton, can you give us a short summary of what kind of planetary systems is produces?

Well, when I ran the AS2 system on 87,000 stars, it only produced 6,720 worlds that I would consider to be earthlike.
Most of the worlds where too hot or too cold for life, and the level of detail it produces on atmosphere gas content and other details is wonderful.
I used my own mapping of population AFTER I worked out the travel maps, as I personally wanted the map to reflect my base line assumptions for my gaming setting (sub-light colony ships travelling for thousands of years, followed up by 700 years of FTL travel)

My setting is called Earth Ascendant as it was based upon the concept that earth sent out huge colony ships for a period of 650 years after hitting the 20 billion mark in population.
Earth then achieved what we call a singularity, but the nature of the technology never led the earth to develop jump travel.
The colonies, settled, grew, most failed, but in the end, one group developed FTL and spread out, eventually forming an empire that has fallen once before and is but a shadow of it's former self.

Now, on the edge of settle space, bordered by small interstellar governments, a new threat is emerging - earth.

A small group of refugees had reached earth and let the system mind know that there is something beyond the oort cloud.

So, you can see, I wanted a very specific set of population growth plans.

The new version I am doing here is designed for general use so I really don't care which way I am lead, as long as I am given an idea of what most people want.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Thanks for the summation.

In that case, I would recommend that the Traveller methodology should be used. Maybe not with every single star having a system, but something like that. I don't know what the final numbers of systems and layout will look like.

I would like to see some other opinions (for or against) though..

 

[DaltonCalford]

Thanks for the summation.

In that case, I would recommend that the Traveller methodology should be used. Maybe not with every single star having a system, but something like that. I don't know what the final numbers of systems and layout will look like.

I would like to see some other opinions (for or against) though..

You where asking for the type of details generated by AS2, well, here is a report on the SOL system for reference, minus the graphics.

Sol

Position: (0,0,0)
Spectral Class: G2V
Mass: 1 sol
Radius: 1 sol
Luminosity: 1 sol
Planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, The Astroid Belt, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Kuiper Belt, Pluto, Quaoar, Xena, Sedna

Mercury
Distance: 57,909,175 km
Radius: 2440 km
Gravity: 0.38G
Orbit Period: 87.91 days
Rotation: 1407.5 hrs
Mean Temp: 440K/167C
Inhospitable

Venus
Distance: 108,208,930 km
Radius: 6052 km
Gravity: 0.95G
Orbit Period: 224.54 days
Rotation: -5832 hrs
Mean Temp: 730K/457C
Atmosphere: 93 atm (CO2 96%, N2 4%)
Inhospitable

Earth
Distance: 149,597,890 km
Radius: 6378 km
Gravity: 1G
Orbit Period: 365 days
Rotation: 23.9 hrs
Mean Temp: 287K/14C
Atmosphere: 1 atm (N2 78%, O2 21%, Ar 1%)
Hospitable
Population: 6,500,000,000
Moons: The International Space Station, The Moon

The International Space Station
Space Station
Distance: 354 km
Population: 2

The Moon
Distance: 384,400 km
Radius: 1737 km
Gravity: 0.17G
Orbit Period: 27.28 days
Rotation: 655.7 hrs
Mean Temp: 255K/-18C
Inhospitable


Mars
Distance: 227,936,640 km
Radius: 3397 km
Gravity: 0.38G
Orbit Period: 686.48 days
Rotation: 24.6 hrs
Mean Temp: 218K/-55C
Atmosphere: .007 atm (CO2 95%, N2 3%, Ar 2%)
Habitable
Moons: Phobos, Deimos

Phobos
Distance: 9,378 km
Radius: 11 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.32 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Deimos
Distance: 23,459 km
Radius: 6 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 1.25 days
Rotation: 24.6 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable


Ceres
Planetoid
Distance: 413,937,306 km
Radius: 473 km
Gravity: 0.03G
Orbit Period: 4.6 years
Rotation: 9.1 hrs
Mean Temp: 168K/-105C

The Astroid Belt
Asteroid Belt
Distance: 503,174,330 km
Belt Width: km

Jupiter
Gas Giant
Distance: 778,412,020 km
Radius: 71492 km
Gravity: 2.7G
Orbit Period: 11.87 years
Rotation: 9.9 hrs
Mean Temp: 125K/-148C
Moons: Halo Ring, Main Ring, Metis, Adrastea, Gossamer Ring, Amalthea, Thebe, Io, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto, Themisto, Leda, Himalia, Lysithea, Elara, S/2000 J11, S/2003 J20, S/2003 J3, S/2003 J12, Euporie, S/2003 J21, S/2003 J22, S/2003 J18, Orthosie, Euanthe, Thyone, S/2003 J6, S/2003 J16, Harpalyke, Hermippe, Praxidike, Iocaste, Ananke, S/2003 J15, S/2003 J17, S/2003 J11, S/2003 J9, S/2003 J19, Eurydome, S/2002 J1, Autonoe, Pasithee, Chaldene, Isonoe, Kale, Aitne, S/2003 J4, Erinome, Taygete, Carme, Sponde, Kalyke, Pasiphae, Megaclite, S/2003 J7, Sinope, S/2003 J13, S/2003 J23, S/2003 J5, Callirrhoe, S/2003 J10, S/2003 J8, S/2003 J1, S/2003 J14, S/2003 J2

Halo Ring
Ring
Distance: 100,000 km
Ring Width: 10000 km

Main Ring
Ring
Distance: 122,800 km
Ring Width: 7000 km

Metis
Distance: 128,100 km
Radius: 22 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.28 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Adrastea
Distance: 128,900 km
Radius: 8 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.29 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Gossamer Ring
Ring
Distance: 129,200 km
Ring Width: 85000 km

Amalthea
Distance: 181,400 km
Radius: 84 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.48 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Thebe
Distance: 221,900 km
Radius: 49 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.65 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Io
Distance: 421,800 km
Radius: 1822 km
Gravity: 0.1G
Orbit Period: 1.7 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 122K/-151C
Atmosphere: .0000001 atm (S02)
Inhospitable

Europa
Distance: 671,100 km
Radius: 1561 km
Gravity: 0.09G
Orbit Period: 3.42 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 122K/-151C
Inhospitable

Ganymede
Distance: 1,070,400 km
Radius: 2631 km
Gravity: 0.14G
Orbit Period: 6.88 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 122K/-151C
Inhospitable

Callisto
Distance: 1,882,700 km
Radius: 2411 km
Gravity: 0.13G
Orbit Period: 16.05 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 122K/-151C
Inhospitable

Themisto
Distance: 7,507,000 km
Radius: 5 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 127.78 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Leda
Distance: 11,165,000 km
Radius: 9 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 231.77 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Himalia
Distance: 11,461,000 km
Radius: 92 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 241.05 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Lysithea
Distance: 11,717,000 km
Radius: 19 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 249.17 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Elara
Distance: 11,741,000 km
Radius: 39 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 249.94 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2000 J11
Distance: 12,555,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 276.38 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J20
Distance: 17,100,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 439.31 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J3
Distance: 18,339,885 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 487.94 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J12
Distance: 19,002,480 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 514.62 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Euporie
Distance: 19,302,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 526.84 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J21
Distance: 20,600,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 580.87 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J22
Distance: 20,700,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 585.1 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J18
Distance: 20,700,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 585.1 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Orthosie
Distance: 20,721,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 585.99 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Euanthe
Distance: 20,799,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 589.3 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Thyone
Distance: 20,940,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 595.3 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J6
Distance: 20,979,105 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 596.97 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J16
Distance: 21,000,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 597.87 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Harpalyke
Distance: 21,105,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 602.35 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Hermippe
Distance: 21,131,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 603.47 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Praxidike
Distance: 21,147,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 604.15 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Iocaste
Distance: 21,269,000 km
Radius: 3 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 609.39 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Ananke
Distance: 21,276,000 km
Radius: 14 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 609.69 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J15
Distance: 22,000,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 641.07 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J17
Distance: 22,000,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 641.07 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J11
Distance: 22,395,390 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 658.43 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J9
Distance: 22,441,680 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 660.48 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J19
Distance: 22,800,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 676.36 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Eurydome
Distance: 22,865,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 679.25 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2002 J1
Distance: 22,931,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 682.2 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Autonoe
Distance: 23,039,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 687.02 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Pasithee
Distance: 23,096,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 689.57 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Chaldene
Distance: 23,179,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 693.29 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Isonoe
Distance: 23,217,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 695 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Kale
Distance: 23,217,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 695 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Aitne
Distance: 23,231,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 695.63 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J4
Distance: 23,257,920 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 696.84 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Erinome
Distance: 23,279,000 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 697.78 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Taygete
Distance: 23,360,000 km
Radius: 3 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 701.43 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Carme
Distance: 23,404,000 km
Radius: 23 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 703.41 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Sponde
Distance: 23,487,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 707.16 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Kalyke
Distance: 23,583,000 km
Radius: 3 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 711.5 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Pasiphae
Distance: 23,624,000 km
Radius: 29 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 713.35 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Megaclite
Distance: 23,806,000 km
Radius: 3 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 721.61 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J7
Distance: 23,807,655 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 721.69 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Sinope
Distance: 23,939,000 km
Radius: 19 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 727.67 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J13
Distance: 24,000,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J23
Distance: 24,055,500 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.01 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J5
Distance: 24,084,180 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.01 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Callirrhoe
Distance: 24,102,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.01 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J10
Distance: 24,249,600 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.03 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J8
Distance: 24,514,095 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.07 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J1
Distance: 24,557,295 km
Radius: 2 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.07 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J14
Distance: 25,000,000 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.13 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 J2
Distance: 28,570,410 km
Radius: 1 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.6 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable


Saturn
Gas Giant
Distance: 1,426,725,400 km
Radius: 60268 km
Gravity: 1.2G
Orbit Period: 29.45 years
Rotation: 10.7 hrs
Mean Temp: 95K/-178C
Moons: Ring D, Ring C, Ring B, Ring A, Pan, Atlas, Prometheus, Ring F, Pandora, Epimetheus, Janus, Ring G, Ring E, Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Telesto, Calypso, Dione, Helene, Rhea, Titan, Hyperion, Iapetus, Kiviuq, Ijiraq, Phoebe, Paaliaq, Skadi, Albiorix, Erriapo, Siarnaq, Tarvos, Mundilfari, S/2003 S1, Suttung, Thrym, Ymir

Ring D
Ring
Distance: 67,000 km
Ring Width: 7500 km

Ring C
Ring
Distance: 74,600 km
Ring Width: 17500 km

Ring B
Ring
Distance: 92,000 km
Ring Width: 25500 km

Ring A
Ring
Distance: 122,200 km
Ring Width: 14600 km

Pan
Distance: 133,600 km
Radius: 10 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.54 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Atlas
Distance: 137,700 km
Radius: 16 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.56 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Prometheus
Distance: 139,400 km
Radius: 50 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.58 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Ring F
Ring
Distance: 140,210 km
Ring Width: 500 km

Pandora
Distance: 141,700 km
Radius: 42 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.59 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Epimetheus
Distance: 151,400 km
Radius: 60 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.65 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Janus
Distance: 151,500 km
Radius: 89 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.65 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Ring G
Ring
Distance: 165,800 km
Ring Width: 8000 km

Ring E
Ring
Distance: 180,000 km
Ring Width: km

Mimas
Distance: 185,600 km
Radius: 199 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 0.88 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Enceladus
Distance: 238,100 km
Radius: 250 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 1.28 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Tethys
Distance: 294,700 km
Radius: 530 km
Gravity: 0.03G
Orbit Period: 1.77 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Telesto
Distance: 294,700 km
Radius: 12 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 1.77 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Calypso
Distance: 294,700 km
Radius: 10 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 1.77 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Dione
Distance: 377,400 km
Radius: 559 km
Gravity: 0.03G
Orbit Period: 2.56 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Helene
Distance: 377,400 km
Radius: 16 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.56 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Rhea
Distance: 527,100 km
Radius: 764 km
Gravity: 0.04G
Orbit Period: 4.23 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Titan
Distance: 1,221,900 km
Radius: 2575 km
Gravity: 0.14G
Orbit Period: 14.93 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 94K/-179C
Atmosphere: 1.5 atm (N2, H2, CH4, CO)
Inhospitable

Hyperion
Distance: 1,464,100 km
Radius: 133 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 19.59 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Iapetus
Distance: 3,560,800 km
Radius: 718 km
Gravity: 0.04G
Orbit Period: 74.29 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Kiviuq
Distance: 11,365,000 km
Radius: 8 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 423.63 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Ijiraq
Distance: 11,440,000 km
Radius: 6 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 427.83 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Phoebe
Distance: 12,944,300 km
Radius: 60 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 514.94 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Paaliaq
Distance: 15,199,000 km
Radius: 11 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 655.18 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Skadi
Distance: 15,647,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 684.36 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Albiorix
Distance: 16,404,000 km
Radius: 16 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.01 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Erriapo
Distance: 17,616,000 km
Radius: 5 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.24 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Siarnaq
Distance: 18,160,000 km
Radius: 20 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 2.34 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Tarvos
Distance: 18,247,000 km
Radius: 8 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.36 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Mundilfari
Distance: 18,709,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.45 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 S1
Distance: 18,719,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.45 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Suttung
Distance: 19,463,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.6 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Thrym
Distance: 20,382,000 km
Radius: 4 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 2.79 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Ymir
Distance: 23,096,000 km
Radius: 9 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 3.36 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable


Uranus
Gas Giant
Distance: 2,870,972,200 km
Radius: 25559 km
Gravity: 0.95G
Orbit Period: 84.07 years
Rotation: -17.2 hrs
Mean Temp: 57K/-216C
Moons: 1986U2R Ring, Ring 6, Ring 5, Ring 4, Alpha Ring, Beta Ring, Eta Ring, Gamma Ring, Delta Ring, Cordelia, Lambda Ring, Epsilon Ring, Ophelia, Bianca, Cressida, Desdemona, Juliet, Portia, Rosalind, S/2003 U2, Belinda, S/1986 U10, Puck, S/2003 U1, Miranda, Ariel, Umbriel, Titania, Oberon, S/2001 U3, Caliban, Stephano, Trinculo, Sycorax, S/2003 U3, Prospero, Setebos, S/2001 U2

1986U2R Ring
Ring
Distance: 38,000 km
Ring Width: km

Ring 6
Ring
Distance: 41,827 km
Ring Width: km

Ring 5
Ring
Distance: 42,235 km
Ring Width: km

Ring 4
Ring
Distance: 42,572 km
Ring Width: km

Alpha Ring
Ring
Distance: 44,718 km
Ring Width: km

Beta Ring
Ring
Distance: 45,661 km
Ring Width: km

Eta Ring
Ring
Distance: 47,176 km
Ring Width: km

Gamma Ring
Ring
Distance: 47,627 km
Ring Width: km

Delta Ring
Ring
Distance: 48,300 km
Ring Width: km

Cordelia
Distance: 49,752 km
Radius: 13 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.33 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Lambda Ring
Ring
Distance: 50,024 km
Ring Width: km

Epsilon Ring
Ring
Distance: 51,149 km
Ring Width: km

Ophelia
Distance: 53,763 km
Radius: 15 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.37 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Bianca
Distance: 59,166 km
Radius: 21 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.42 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Cressida
Distance: 61,767 km
Radius: 33 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.45 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Desdemona
Distance: 62,658 km
Radius: 27 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.46 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Juliet
Distance: 64,358 km
Radius: 42 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.48 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Portia
Distance: 66,097 km
Radius: 54 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.5 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Rosalind
Distance: 69,927 km
Radius: 27 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.54 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 U2
Distance: 74,800 km
Radius: 10 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.6 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Belinda
Distance: 75,256 km
Radius: 33 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.61 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/1986 U10
Distance: 76,420 km
Radius: 20 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.62 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Puck
Distance: 86,004 km
Radius: 77 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.74 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 U1
Distance: 97,734 km
Radius: 10 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 0.9 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Miranda
Distance: 129,872 km
Radius: 236 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 1.37 days
Rotation: 17.2 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Ariel
Distance: 190,900 km
Radius: 579 km
Gravity: 0.03G
Orbit Period: 2.45 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Umbriel
Distance: 266,000 km
Radius: 585 km
Gravity: 0.03G
Orbit Period: 4.03 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Titania
Distance: 436,300 km
Radius: 789 km
Gravity: 0.04G
Orbit Period: 8.46 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Oberon
Distance: 583,500 km
Radius: 761 km
Gravity: 0.04G
Orbit Period: 13.09 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2001 U3
Distance: 4,276,000 km
Radius: 6 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 259.69 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Caliban
Distance: 7,231,000 km
Radius: 49 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 571.08 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Stephano
Distance: 8,004,000 km
Radius: 10 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 665.06 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Trinculo
Distance: 8,504,000 km
Radius: 5 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 728.34 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Sycorax
Distance: 12,179,000 km
Radius: 95 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 3.42 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2003 U3
Distance: 14,345,000 km
Radius: 6 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 4.37 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Prospero
Distance: 16,256,000 km
Radius: 15 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 5.27 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Setebos
Distance: 17,418,000 km
Radius: 15 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 5.85 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

S/2001 U2
Distance: 20,901,000 km
Radius: 6 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 7.69 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable


Neptune
Gas Giant
Distance: 4,498,252,900 km
Radius: 24764 km
Gravity: 1.23G
Orbit Period: 164.88 years
Rotation: 16.1 hrs
Mean Temp: 59K/-214C
Moons: Galle Ring, Naiad, Thalassa, Despina, Leverrier Ring, Lassell Ring, Arago Ring, Galatea, Adams Ring, Larissa, Proteus, Triton, Nereid

Galle Ring
Ring
Distance: 42,000 km
Ring Width: 15 km

Naiad
Distance: 48,230 km
Radius: 29 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.28 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Thalassa
Distance: 50,070 km
Radius: 40 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.3 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Despina
Distance: 52,560 km
Radius: 74 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.32 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Leverrier Ring
Ring
Distance: 53,000 km
Ring Width: 15 km

Lassell Ring
Ring
Distance: 55,000 km
Ring Width: 6 km

Arago Ring
Ring
Distance: 57,000 km
Ring Width: 1 km

Galatea
Distance: 61,950 km
Radius: 79 km
Gravity: 0.00G
Orbit Period: 0.41 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Adams Ring
Ring
Distance: 63,000 km
Ring Width: 40 km

Larissa
Distance: 73,550 km
Radius: 97 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 0.53 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Proteus
Distance: 117,650 km
Radius: 209 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 1.07 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable

Triton
Distance: 354,760 km
Radius: 1352 km
Gravity: 0.07G
Orbit Period: 5.61 days
Rotation: 16.1 hrs
Mean Temp: 58K/-215C
Atmosphere: (CH4, N2)
Inhospitable

Nereid
Distance: 5,513,400 km
Radius: 170 km
Gravity: 0.01G
Orbit Period: 343.98 days
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable


Kuiper Belt
Asteroid Belt
Distance: 4,500,000,000 km
Belt Width: 3000000000 km

Pluto
Distance: 5,906,380,000 km
Radius: 1151 km
Gravity: 0.07G
Orbit Period: 248.08 years
Rotation: 153.3 hrs
Mean Temp: 48K/-225C
Atmosphere: (N2, CH4, H2)
Inhospitable
Moons: Charon

Charon
Distance: 19,600 km
Radius: 593 km
Gravity: 0.03G
Orbit Period: 6.48 days
Rotation: 153.3 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C
Inhospitable


Quaoar
Planetoid
Distance: 6,493,296,000 km
Radius: 1300 km
Gravity: 0.2G
Orbit Period: 285.96 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C

Xena
Planetoid
Distance: 10,120,000,000 km
Radius: 3000 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 556.39 years
Rotation: 0 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C

Sedna
Planetoid
Distance: 78,629,540,000 km
Radius: 1400 km
Gravity: 0G
Orbit Period: 12050.09 years
Rotation: 10 hrs
Mean Temp: 0K/-273C

 

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Mars
Distance: 227,936,640 km
Radius: 3397 km
Gravity: 0.38G
Orbit Period: 686.48 days
Rotation: 24.6 hrs
Mean Temp: 218K/-55C
Atmosphere: .007 atm (CO2 95%, N2 3%, Ar 2%)
Habitable
Moons: Phobos, Deimos

What makes the present-day Mars Habitable rather than Inhospitable? After all, its atmosphere its so thin that you need a vacc suit to live on its surface due to the low pressure, temperature, solar radiation and lack of oxygen; habitats on Mars would have to be pressurized like ones on any other non-Earth planet in our solar system.

I agree that Mars is a better candidate for colonization than Luna due to massive amounts of frozen (and possibly liquid in subterranean areas) water and higher gravity. But without terraformation it isn't much more habitable than Luna or Titan.