Progress on 2e

[Brother Jim]

I think they should sell the PDF for about half what they will once it's proofread and corrected. Someplace like DrivethruRPG or RPGNow that will provide "updates" to those that purchased the product.

This gets them money and gets them lots of sets of eyes to look it over and find typos and such.

This should be done as soon as possible to get more typo finding and fixing done before the book(s) get sent to the printers.


It works for mj12games, maybe it would work for you guys too.

I say "half" because IMO the PDF's are too expensive, especially since I would want both electronic and dead tree versions.

 

[Greg Smith]

As a playtester who is fed up with taking sh** for a doing a job that isn't paid (and for my paid job, but that's another story), I think we should have the most outspoken critics do the proofreading and have Capt Kremmen be an official p*ss taker.

 

[H]

I prefer to sarcasm to blatent p*ss taking if I can join in

 

[Commador Q]

I think there's only one thing to do to decide this.
We'll need everyone who wants to be a proofreader, a wrestling ring, a thousand hot chicks, and nerf guns. Last one standing wins.

if i win the thousand hot chicks and a nerf gun thing do i actually have to proof read, 'cuz that competition sounds like it'd be more fun than the prize.

 

[TenaciousB]

Hell, I'll throw my hat into this contest as well - it's about time someone represented Northern Ireland here.
If it's proof-reading you want, I'm your huckleberry - I'm a programmer analyst by profession, but I also have to write a lot of official project reports, official papers for ministers (civil servant, you see), user documentation, online help, and all the other bollocks that come with writing applications and systems.

I couldn't do any worse, anyways, and it would give the community a decent opportunity to bitch and moan at me, even more so than they do already :lol:

 

[Hash]

I volunteer...BURGER!

He may not have done a course on proofreading or anything like that but you'd be hard pressed to find a someone with a greater eye for detail - especially when it comes to the rules!

Besides it gives him a head start to get working on his Shipviewer V2

 

[Reaverman]

I volunteer...BURGER!

He may not have done a course on proofreading or anything like that but you'd be hard pressed to find a someone with a greater eye for detail - especially when it comes to the rules!

Besides it gives him a head start to get working on his Shipviewer V2

I agree

 

[Obsidian]

Besides it gives him a head start to get working on his Shipviewer V2

I'd say there's more than a few people on these forums who can cite that same reason... ;-)

Seriously though we'd all love to get an advance copy of the book to look through and learn the stuff that only Matt and the playtesters know right now. My vote goes to Right Hand of God at the moment. Looks like he has the qualifications to get the job done.

 

[Target]

I wonder if there is going to be a G'Kar class ship coming out for the Narn. I thought the G' Varann ??? would of been called that, maybe they will get a raid hull with the G'Kar name. All this 2 ed stuff is quite exciting really.

 

[Abraxas]

I wonder if there is going to be a G'Kar class ship coming out for the Narn. I thought the G' Varann ??? would of been called that, maybe they will get a raid hull with the G'Kar name. All this 2 ed stuff is quite exciting really.

Actually, B5 Wars made one that replaced the mag gun with a Hvy Partical cannon and some other changes (the most dramatic being the change I just mentioned).

Well, I need to get some whorth out of SFoS...

 

[phoenixhawk]

I used to do playtesting for another company, and I understand how much work it is and that it is a thankless job that is not a paid position by any stretch of the imagination. Some would argue that knowing information early is a form of payment, but when you have to look at revision after revision, it is no longer fun info to know but can get tedious. Sometimes we would see that same basic things four or five times before a final draft was ready.

I'm not sure how Mongoose does their playtesting, but people should not beat up the playtesters for things. Again, I don't know how Matt and his crew operate, but most of the time the company has the final say on things and even can overrule the playtesters if that is their whim. The playtesters work hard, for free, to help improve and further a game they love in a way that most casual players will never experience or be able to appreciate. My hat's off to those 2e playtesters for their work. All this talk of stats and proofing and editing and all that kinda wears on a playtester who has given their all for this project, only to find their contributions being niggled to death by a bunch of forum posters who have not, will not, or could not do the same job.

It sounds like Matt and Mongoose have seriously looked at what we players are asking for in ACTA 2e and even if there are a few spelling errors, who cares as long as the stats are good. Take a moment and try to see the other side of the mirror and you might reconsider that nasty posting that was just on the tips of your fingers.

Chris

 

[Triggy]

I used to do playtesting for another company, and I understand how much work it is and that it is a thankless job that is not a paid position by any stretch of the imagination. Some would argue that knowing information early is a form of payment, but when you have to look at revision after revision, it is no longer fun info to know but can get tedious. Sometimes we would see that same basic things four or five times before a final draft was ready.

I'm not sure how Mongoose does their playtesting, but people should not beat up the playtesters for things. Again, I don't know how Matt and his crew operate, but most of the time the company has the final say on things and even can overrule the playtesters if that is their whim. The playtesters work hard, for free, to help improve and further a game they love in a way that most casual players will never experience or be able to appreciate. My hat's off to those 2e playtesters for their work. All this talk of stats and proofing and editing and all that kinda wears on a playtester who has given their all for this project, only to find their contributions being niggled to death by a bunch of forum posters who have not, will not, or could not do the same job.

It sounds like Matt and Mongoose have seriously looked at what we players are asking for in ACTA 2e and even if there are a few spelling errors, who cares as long as the stats are good. Take a moment and try to see the other side of the mirror and you might reconsider that nasty posting that was just on the tips of your fingers.

Chris

Thank you for the kind words

You're right about the four or five incarnations for each part of the list - it's easily averaging that at the moment and that's before we even pull everything back together and see if we missed any unusual imbalances in our methodical approach. It's also frustrating to try and test a specific ship type that you can't take many of in a fleet (e.g. Armageddon PL or a Raid PL Scout) and see it blown up by a fluke hit early on/fail every Stealth roll/other unusual occurances...

 

[emperorpenguin]

, and I understand how much work it is and that it is a thankless job that is not a paid position by any stretch of the imagination. Chris

In fact with the large number of updates & all the printing costs means it costs us money! :lol:

 

[Celisasu]

I don't volunteer to proof read because I know I wouldn't be good at it. I'd want to read through everything too fast to bother notice anything but the most glaring mistakes.

Luckily it's not my job. :lol:

 

[Shadow Queen]

the minbari might have built them but you never saw them use them, even in the mini civil war. they were built solely for the rangers. warrior caste prob thought their own ships were better. and to be honst i would prob prefer a teshlan over a whitestar, damn 1AD beam that i always roll 1 for.

Whitestar 1 was crewed by Religious caste throughout Season 3. In the encounter with the Drakh, Delenn commands a fleet of Minbari Whitestars.

As for the rest - you never see Minbari using any of their ships other than the Sharlin and the Tinashi, doesn't mean they didn't use them. Also, you never see a single battle of the Minbari civil war.

Drakh was season 4

 

[Shadow Queen]

My partner twisted my arm to volinteer

 

[Nomad]

The changes in v2 all sound very positive.

One minor thing - I hope the White Star isn't the only atmospheric ship?
(Brakiri Ikorta, Dilgar Rohric, most Vree and some Drazi hulls?)

 

[Greg Smith]

One minor thing - I hope the White Star isn't the only atmospheric ship?
(Brakiri Ikorta, Dilgar Rohric, most Vree and some Drazi hulls?)

There are plenty more atmospheric ships.

 

[Da Boss]

Apparreciate all the hard work all putting in - but had hoped the new rules would be more of a tweek rather than a rewrite.

Bit concerned the ISA are gietting a whole massive influx of ships and therefore vairiety and others - Vorlons and Shadows don't. This reduces interest in playing both with and against them.

I have posted elswhere on the forum my humble thoughts on revised Shadow fleet and the Vorlons surely need a few extra ships - especially at low levels - patrol / skirmish

Why change the beam rules - if it aint' broke.............

regards

 

[katadder]

shadows/vorlons are being looked at.
beam rules are changed to encourage more hull 4 ships as atm they dont get used due to SAP beams blowing them out of space.