Probably a dumb question but.....

[127th Angry Angels]

There is nothing in the rules sheet that allows you to rejoin fire teams once they have been split off from the main squad.

just out of interest doese it exsplicitly say you cant rejoin fire teams back together ?

it may not say you can but equaly doese it say you cant ? flows both ways.

The wording on the card is:-

"Team 2 may be split off from the section to act as an independent unit, with the lance corperal acting as the unit leader. This may be done before the battle or at the start of any turn"

Seems daft to be able to split your highly trained infantry men at any turn start but you can never get them back together again...what does a taste of freedom do to them exactly?

I do admit to jumping the gun on this though

 

[Xorrandor]

just out of interest doese it exsplicitly say you cant rejoin fire teams back together ?

it may not say you can but equaly doese it say you cant ? flows both ways.

??? Well, what do you mean my toddler eating your pieces doesn't count as a Kill result? It doesn't say he can't do that in the rules does it?

 

[docrailgun]

It seems to me (yes, I know... common sense has nothing to do with wargame rules) that if a squad can be divided into fire teams, then they should be able to be recombined the same way (which is what you just wrote, of course). This may not be in the basic rules because the designers thought this was obvious.

There is nothing in the rules sheet that allows you to rejoin fire teams once they have been split off from the main squad.

Which is an oversight in my mind. Was the rule intentional or just an "oops"?

To me voluntary regrouping should be allowed at a loss of 1 action from each fireteam involved the same way as when splitting. I see no logical reason not to allow regrouping.

If your leader bites it ...meh... either keep the penalty so that after the two actions you would still have to waste a 3rd and 1 action of the other fire team absorbing the unit. (A stiff cost)
Or waste the two actions of the partial unit and 1 for the absorbing unit and roll on. (slightly more fitting)

 

[cordas]

My first thought is that the two actions are lost as much to saying "Oh %*&@#$%, the CPL just bought it!" as anything else. I mean, this is a four man fire team, they know who is supposed to take over if the CPL is down; it isn't like they have to sit down and play Rock/Paper/Scissors for command. So I wouldn't allow the team to avoid the penalty for loss of command regardless of other factors.

Now, I can see where separated fire teams might recombine, either because of losses or just because they need to start working together again. I'd be tempted to allow this as a house rule, with two actions lost for both fire teams (or all fire teams, for truly wacky PLA stunts) as they "lose their leader" before "nominating" one model to be the overall squad leader.

As usual, however, my experience is out of a book. Anyone want to comment on how it's done IRL?

For a squadie to stand up and take command if the "fire team leader" (Corporal for USMC and PLA, or Lance Corp for Brits) buys it is one thing, there is that factor of opps corp bought his way home and the shock required for the remaining unit to not only replace him but sort out the structure under that.

I would say its a different kettle of fish for the existing Squad comanders (Sergants for USMC and PLA, Corporal for Brits) to start belowing orders and expect them obeyed instantly. We are talking about highly trained troops here note that the MEA don't get fire teams for their basic unit, the squads are trained day in day out to take orders from their Squad leaders, it SHOULD be 2nd nature to fall back under his comand, if within his comand distance.

 

[The Old Soldier]

The answer may be something simular to how things use to work in SST. If a fire team loses it's corporal, then the members of that fire team would only be able to react, UNLESS the Sgt. of the unit moves within command range. Then they would rejoin the unit.

Simple, and makes sense. :wink:

 

[cordas]

The answer may be something simular to how things use to work in SST. If a fire team loses it's corporal, then the members of that fire team would only be able to react, UNLESS the Sgt. of the unit moves within command range. Then they would rejoin the unit.

Simple, and makes sense. :wink:

Sounds good to me, maybe its in the advanced rules..... but until its a written rule its going to cause arguements.....

 

[The Old Soldier]

Unless MP makes a offical ruling for their tourneys, I'll allow it to take place. After all it is OUR game. But, I do see how it might work the other way. Either way, the point is to have fun.

Not going to let some rule nazi goose step on me!! :shock:

 

[cordas]

Unless MP makes a offical ruling for their tourneys, I'll allow it to take place. After all it is OUR game. But, I do see how it might work the other way. Either way, the point is to have fun.

Not going to let some rule nazi goose step on me!! :shock:

Knowing the people which I game with coming up with house rules can be an extremely contentious issue. It tends to involve lots of fun sapping arguements that I really hate.

 

[Shadow4ce]

It seems to me (yes, I know... common sense has nothing to do with wargame rules) that if a squad can be divided into fire teams, then they should be able to be recombined the same way (which is what you just wrote, of course). This may not be in the basic rules because the designers thought this was obvious.

To me voluntary regrouping should be allowed at a loss of 1 action from each fireteam involved the same way as when splitting. I see no logical reason not to allow regrouping.

Agreed! I for one when reading the rules figured it was this way and just wasted paper to state the obvious. (Mongoose did keep it to one 4-page leaflet). The rule to undo what was done would obviously require one to reverse the steps at the same cost. Never thought this one would get so much attention. *shrug*

Here's to hoping May 7 clears it all up and specifies an answer. Or the game developers could chime in here and let us know, hehe. :wink:

 

[Mr Evil]

just out of interest doese it exsplicitly say you cant rejoin fire teams back together ?

it may not say you can but equaly doese it say you cant ? flows both ways.

??? Well, what do you mean my toddler eating your pieces doesn't count as a Kill result? It doesn't say he can't do that in the rules does it?

it also doesnt say you have to use your fingers to pick the modles up to move them either, i was there for ages trying to use esp.

 

[tneva82]

Agreed! I for one when reading the rules figured it was this way and just wasted paper to state the obvious.

Equally obvious as 1mm thick stick not providing huge toughness boost to tank?