Polls being conducted

[Mithras]

Allensh, thanks for the links. Personally, I started a CT campaign just prior to the MGT release and I'm keeping it going, with all the best MGT rules of course!


More of my personal situation can be found at : http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=408340

 

[rust]

Thank you both very much !

By the way, this makes an excellent adventure hook for the political part
of my campaign: The colony's council organizes a referendum, the majori-
ty of the non-supporters of the proposal in the small settlements ignores
the poll and uses the fine weather for something else, the council makes
its decision based upon the referendum's result, some unexpected side
effect of the decision turns non-supporters into angry citizens - the council
is surprised by an "unpredictable" sudden revolt ...

And the players were so convinced that their democratic style of gover-
ning the colony would keep their characters in power forever ... :twisted:

 

[Allensh]

You're talking about me. (And, I don't care if I tick you off, btw.)

That's fairly obvious. Of course the thing I was ticked off about was not your "silence" on the poll numbers (silence from you on any subject being a welcome relief) but on the 760 Patrons thing.

Before the polls were set, I strongly suggested to allow a vote to only pick one Traveller edition of choice...and to only have the official Traveller editions listed.

That would give us a more clear view of what Traveller players prefer. Instead we've got the "homebrew" option in there that muddies the view.

Oddly enough, I agree with you on that. I did not post the first poll, Aramis did. So, I copied his format because I felt that otherwise the other polls would be too different to be comparable. If it had been me originally I would not have included the hybrid option.

Even with that, though, the poll results are supporting my original statement...that CT represents about 40% of the Traveller playing public, and MGT players are either new players to the game or are cannibalilized from mostly other, non-CT, editions.

As the MGT numbers climb, we're not seeing the CT numbers decline. We're seeing the other editions of Traveller report in with scant numbers.

well, it depends on the poll. On CoTI last I looked, CT's numbers had declined from previous polls and were below 40%...around 36 or so. I've been gone gaming (running Traveller in fact) tonight so I haven't checked them since I got home. In general though, you're correct...MGT is having a bigger impact on those who played later versions...probably because a lot of people hybrid MGT with CT...as I do myself right now.

The polls are supporting my initial statement.

The polls don't "prove" anything--I don't think any sane person would say a poll like that would. But, they indeed are supporting my initial statement (the reason, you allude, that the polls were started in the first place).

I don't think the polls prove anything other than what the people who choose to respond to the poll like. I do believe it was started by Aramis to test whether your assertion about CT was true...SOMEONE needs to support what you say, if it can be, because you make statements that you rarely support in any way yourself.

if you're right...fine. You might be right, for example, for CotI, but be way off for RPG.net and other places.

Allen

 

[CosmicGamer]

I don't see how this poll can determine if MGT players used to be CT players, MT, T20, T4 or any previous version or are just new to traveller unless you have a similar poll taken just before the mongoose release. Perhaps a poll asking MGT players?

Myself, I played a CT hybrid (not otu - just LBB for character creation and other non traveller systems for combat and ship creation) many years ago and Mongoose has gotten me back into Traveller.

 

[Supplement Four]

if you're right...fine. You might be right, for example, for CotI, but be way off for RPG.net and other places.

Allen,

I must compliment you on your post. I was expecting more of a bitter reply that distorts reality, and that's not what you wrote at all. Laced with snarky comments? Sure. That's what you do. But, it was a lot less spiteful that I was expecting.

To be honest with you, I had no idea you were "ticked off" until I read what you posted here. And, I really didn't even realize that we were in a heated debate on CotI. Sure, your responses were a bit heated and snarky, but that's par for the course on most forums.

I just thought we were discussing things.

I hold no animosity towards you, for what that's worth.

 

[AKAramis]

I don't see how this poll can determine if MGT players used to be CT players, MT, T20, T4 or any previous version or are just new to traveller unless you have a similar poll taken just before the mongoose release. Perhaps a poll asking MGT players?

Myself, I played a CT hybrid (not otu - just LBB for character creation and other non traveller systems for combat and ship creation) many years ago and Mongoose has gotten me back into Traveller.

yes coti did. almost half were using CT or CT+___ hybrid.

 

[Allensh]

if you're right...fine. You might be right, for example, for CotI, but be way off for RPG.net and other places.

Allen,

I must compliment you on your post. I was expecting more of a bitter reply that distorts reality, and that's not what you wrote at all. Laced with snarky comments? Sure. That's what you do. But, it was a lot less spiteful that I was expecting.

To be honest with you, I had no idea you were "ticked off" until I read what you posted here. And, I really didn't even realize that we were in a heated debate on CotI. Sure, your responses were a bit heated and snarky, but that's par for the course on most forums.

I just thought we were discussing things.

I hold no animosity towards you, for what that's worth.

The thing is, the vast majority of the time I really try to avoid being snarky. But I have a very low tolerance for people who come off as arrogant and belittling, especially towards me.

I have no problem with you not liking 760 Patrons. I have MAJOR issues with you stating that dislike by launching veiled insults at people who DO like the book ("People are getting excited over THIS?" which basically says to me "boy, you people must be stupid to like THIS"), especially when by your own admission you haven't even read the book. And you're wrong; this is not like anything ever published for Traveller before, not like the stuff in the Traveller Adventure, or any other book. That is not to say that its better...that's a value judgement. I think there actually is a preview of the book on the main page somewhere...you could at least look at that. No one expects you to buy the book.

Having said that...I did use some rather snarky language at you in an earlier post and that is not right. I apologize. At this point, I would really just like to drop this whole subject.

Allen

 

[-Daniel-]

So in the end, did the polls tell us anything?

Just curious.

Daniel

 

[Supplement Four]

Having said that...I did use some rather snarky language at you in an earlier post and that is not right. I apologize. At this point, I would really just like to drop this whole subject.

I'm an easy-going kinda guy. Stuff rarely gets me upset.

Consider it dropped.

 

[MJD]

I suspect the poll thing isn't terribly relevant in the grand scheme of things. I'm pretty sure I can tell you what's going on...

Most exisiting players have their favourite version and most will stay with that, while some may convert to Mongoose. Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of new Traveller players will come in to Mongoose because it's the current, heavily supported version*.

Maybe the polls will reflect that and maybe they will reflect the preferences of a small segment of very active fans, but I suspect the actual demographic of players will be as I've suggested above.


*Yes, I know other versions are in print and available (except T20, it seems) but there's a difference between Mongoose putting new Traveller books out every few weeks and a reprint series available for order if you want it.

 

[rust]

Well, at least the polls verify that Mongoose Traveller has had a truly
excellent start.

Of the (currently) 273 votes in the 4 polls, 152 votes (ca. 56 %) name
MGT as a system used by the voter. So, more than half of the Traveller
fans voting on the four boards have included MGT in their games, which
I find quite surprising for a game that has been around for such a short
while only.

Congratulations, Mongoose, doubtless a real success !