Planned Batrep - 1st & 2nd Edition

[Wing Commander]

Ok guys, as you've seen we've been posting a load of Battle Reports recently as the shop is awash with B5ness. We've come up with a plan to put 2nd edition to the test by running the same Battle Report in both 1st and then 2nd Ed. This will be an EAS early years vs Dilgar report, 5 pts Battle played this week with 1st Edition and then in a week or two we'll rematch using 2nd edition. As soon as we get our hands on the books!
Ok, I will be using early EAS and my 5 pts Battle list consists of;
Orestes, EAS Hood
Hyperion, EAS Nelson
Hyperion Assault Cruiser, EAS Boxer
Hyperion Assault Cruiser, EAS Pugilist
Nova, EAS Firestorm
Nova, EAS Hellebore
Sagitarius, EAS Longshot
Sagitarius, EAS Bowman
Oracle, EAS Delphi
Artemis, EAS Sword
Artemis, EAS Gladius
Artemis, EAS Dirk

- Barry will be using his Dilgar and will add his list shortly. I am painting my way through the EAS and hope to be finished for the end of the week. I've never used Early lists before so will try and get a couple of practice games in first.

 

[Greg Smith]

I did that as some of my playtests - play out the battle in our 1e campaign and then see how it playes out in 2e. It was cool. I look forward to hearing about the battles.

 

[Blu_Majik]

look forward to it bud.

 

[Wing Commander]

I´ve tweaked the EAS list a little, I´ve been looking at ISD´s....
The list is now Dilgar era friendly with only 1 small "?"
I got a little confused with Hyperions... the original Hyperion came out as a prototype at the tail end of the Dilgar war (according to Armageddon early list entry) so technically I should be able to field 1 ok. The ISD on this however is 2246, 15 years later! Additionally although (according to fluff) the original Hyperion came out in 2231ish as a prototype it appears to have been predated by several of its variants?! In 1 case by 14 years?! Am I just getting a little confused here? To recap
2217 - Hyperion missile cruiser launched (variant)
2230 - Hyperion Assault Cruiser launched (variant)
2231 - Hyperion class cruiser launched (original hull)
2240 - Hyperion Pulse Cruiser launched (variant)
2246 - Official ISD for Hyperion Cruiser in Armageddon, latest version?!
2246 - Hyperion Rail Cruiser launched (variant)

- you can see where I´m getting confused?! For the purposes of this game however we´re going to make the ships historically accurate for the period and go with the amended ship roster. I´ll be fielding 1 Hyperion which may possibly have the wrong ISD but according to the fluff the prototypes took part in the Dilgar war so that should satisfy the ISD requirements.

 

[MustEatBrains]

On the Hyperion: I believe the earliest prototype was the one without the lasers; the current version of it (and some other ships in different fleets) is just the latest update to the basic hull. The variants haven´t been updated for a while, so technically, they predate the basic version as it is by a few years.

Well, or something like that.

 

[Greg Smith]

The service date for the Hyperion in Armageddon does say "2246 (current version)".

The Early Era Hyperion in 2e is armed with plasma cannons instead of pulse weaponry and carries Tiger starfuries, with a service date of 2230.

The actual difference in performance is minimal, so using an Armageddon Hyperion won't be too anachronistic.

 

[Wing Commander]

Cheers for that, when we have the 2nd Ed rules and fleet lists we are going to refight the battle and report both along with any differences, etc.

 

[Chernobyl]

not certain, but the Earth-Minbari war book might have some additional information on the hyperion variants.

Chern

 

[Silvereye]

not certain, but the Earth-Minbari war book might have some additional information on the hyperion variants.

Chern

E-M War has some Hyperion prototypes; Command Cruiser, Heavy Cruiser and Rail Cruiser, but their ISDs are 2245+, 2245+ and 2241+

What I did notice though, was the Nova Dreadnaught Bolter Prototype (ISD 2230-2247)....

 

[Nidalap]

Ok , sorry about the delay.
My list has been picked and I think this fits within all criteria.

1x Tikrit 1 Battle pt
1x Tagrath, 1x Omeleos, 2x Jashakar scouts 1 Battle pt
1x Tagrath, 1x Omeleos, 2x Jashakar scouts 1 Battle pt
1x Tagrath, 1x Ochlavita, 2x Dartfighter wings 1 Battle pt
1x Tagrath, 1x Ochlavita, 1x Dartfighter wing, 1x Jashakar scout 1 Battle pt

Total 14 Ships
9 Fighter bases

I`ve tryed to pick a variety of ships so when we try the 2e rules we can better show any differences between the rule sets.
And NO THEY WONT BE GREEN !!!
:lol:
Any one want to pick holes or any discrepencies that you can see?

Cheers

Barry

 

[Burger]

I'd take less fighter wings. Each flight is worth 1VP each when destroyed, whereas your scouts are only worth 2VPs! And fighters die much more easily, especially against EA. You'll be giving away so many VPs from your fighters, the rest of the game won't matter

 

[Nidalap]

Cheers mate.
THe reason I was going to take them is exactly that..... to show some of the rules changes in 2e.
Remember this isn`t a torney game it`s one about showing the rules off and having fun...... and the fact that at 2232 they are MUCH more "FUN" to use :wink:

Thanks anyway though.
Did think about a Garsoch but I do like the Tikrit sooo much


Barry

 

[Burger]

Oh yeah... there is one way to avoid losing VPs with Dilgar fighters :twisted:
And Tikrit is a very nice ship!

 

[Nidalap]

As you see it would of been remiss of me not to of involved them. I`m hoping to use EXACTLY the same list for both games but will have to play them diffrently I think.

Cheers

Barry

 

[CZuschlag]

Be a bit careful about including the Omelos in your fleet list. It changes from Skirmish priority to Raid Priority, so the fleet won't have the same fleet point value in both fights.

If you want to field Omelos, consider fielding a Garasoch, which will move from Battle to Raid -- perhaps the two changes in priorities can cancel each other out. The other available priority changes are to the Rohric (Raid to Skirmish), the new version of which I don't like, and the Khatrik [So] (Battle to Raid), which doesn't impress me in a "fast" Dilgar fleet context.

You'll want to field the Garasoch. The difference in performance is enormous.

 

[Nidalap]

good points.....mmm have to think about that. I want to use this list so will probably have to "jigger" the 2e list. Maybe drop from 2 to 1 or replace a tagrath. So long as the ship types are there for people to see the changes, then should be ok.
Do like the sound of the Garsoch though
Cheer mate

Barry