Pak questions

[Tank]

Why on earth are you paying attention to the rules? I tell ya, in my day we made others play to the rules, none of this nonsense of following the rules ourselves!!!!

 

[MustEatBrains]

Right, there´s nothing in the rules that says they can be combined.

But they have been a part of the League in the series, they are being sold in the MGP online shop along with the other league fleets, so I´ll use them as part of my mixed League fleet. It´s as simple as that.

And should there be a "rules lawyer" complaining, I´d suggest he should spend more time playing and less time haggling; it´s more fun for everyone invilved that way! :roll:

 

[Voronesh]

And the most expedient way of dealing with rule hagglers?

Plasma Torpedo right at the face, and afterwards hes good for chow (Paks ARE scavengers after all and pretty much digest anything).

To me the ships looked fine, though some playtesting sure needs to follow. Comparing up against my Narn they seem to have more DD and TD and less AP/SAP and ALOT less rear weaponry.

Oh yeah and they cant do jack in a dogfight ^^. Those are the first fighter bases, that are actually truly resilient to my E-mine fire. We need more fighter cover all of the sudden.


Overall i have a new fleet, definitely, maybe a bit more fleshed out ship, variations should come easy, as the ships are mostly converted from other races anyway. Will do some testing when i have time, for now its mostly mindgames

 

[angelus2000]

Ya but I'd almost give up my Ka'Tocs. Mag guns and Ion Torps to have those Heavy and Medium Plasma Cannons. Stick those on a Rothan or Rongoth and now gets ourselves a VERY nice raid ship

 

[Mr. Neutron]

I am very dissapointed that we won't get the Thar-Not-ak, it was a great ship.

They should have a decent amount of ini sinks, but I question having the Pshul'Shi at War level. In order to make fleets viable for all levels of fights, they really do need to have all of the lower priority levels covered. This would be where the Tharnotak would have fit nicely, as a Battle level.

The -1 CQ is good, it gives them a definate racial identity. As does the ini neg.

I also find it odd that they have no aft firing weapons. Since they are peaceful, and would like to avoid fighting, they would be more likely to run. Hence, aft weapons would make sense. ie Firing while leaving. The Drazi being aggresive, have all forward firing weapons - so the ships they got from them should be built that way, but the Pak's own ships should have aft weapons.

 

[animus]

I also find it odd that they have no aft firing weapons. Since they are peaceful, and would like to avoid fighting, they would be more likely to run. Hence, aft weapons would make sense. ie Firing while leaving. The Drazi being aggresive, have all forward firing weapons - so the ships they got from them should be built that way, but the Pak's own ships should have aft weapons.

Good point.

 

[Celisasu]

The lack of rear weapons is for religious reasons. The rear of a ship is like the rear of a Pak'Ma'Ra. A blessed thing that you don't interfere with out of fear of preventing the release of souls. Eating the body is only the first half. Every time you hear a flatulant sound and smell something aweful and a Pak'Ma'Ra is around, it's a holy moment that signifies that another soul is free to go wherever souls go.

 

[Greg Smith]

Every time you hear a flatulant sound and smell something aweful and a Pak'Ma'Ra is around, it's a holy moment that signifies that another soul is free to go wherever souls go.

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[MustEatBrains]

The lack of rear weapons is for religious reasons. The rear of a ship is like the rear of a Pak'Ma'Ra. A blessed thing that you don't interfere with out of fear of preventing the release of souls. Eating the body is only the first half. Every time you hear a flatulant sound and smell something aweful and a Pak'Ma'Ra is around, it's a holy moment that signifies that another soul is free to go wherever souls go.

Oh boy, this really needs to get into the coming RPG Pak book!!!

 

[lastbesthope]

um yeah, what captainsmirk said. They ARE part of the LNOW, and I believe JMS kinda wrote the show making it pretty cannon

However for sake of rules lawyers maybe there should be mention of it somewhere...

...Otherwise you are bound to have somebody eventually try to claim your fleet illegal due to this in tournament :roll:

Well any TRUE ACTA fan :lol: has the original box set which contained one Pak ship as part of the combined League fleet lists, therefore a precedent exists for including PAk in a LONAW fleet.

LBH

 

[Majeh]

Question:
On simple traders it says a pak'ma'ra fleet may pick one ship in their fleet to recieve a free roll on the pak refits table, now is this per turn like the abbai ability or just once at the start of the campaign?

 

[MustEatBrains]

From the wording, I´d say only once (would be a little much otherwise, wouldn´t it)

 

[tneva82]

Well any TRUE ACTA fan :lol: has the original box set which contained one Pak ship as part of the combined League fleet lists, therefore a precedent exists for including PAk in a LONAW fleet.

LBH

And any true lawyer will simply say it's outdated box set and ergo has no value whatsoever for current rules :roll:

I have faced rule lawyers who would make precisely this sort of mess if they figured it would give them advantage in the tournament. You need to have positively water proof rules or he'll arque you until you feel like giving WO just to avoid playing that game.

 

[Reaverman]

They have a complete lack of rear facing weaponry too, that can be exploited

Not with all those insane fighters, who needs to worry about rear facing :twisted:

 

[lastbesthope]

Well any TRUE ACTA fan :lol: has the original box set which contained one Pak ship as part of the combined League fleet lists, therefore a precedent exists for including PAk in a LONAW fleet.

LBH

And any true lawyer will simply say it's outdated box set and ergo has no value whatsoever for current rules :roll:

I have faced rule lawyers who would make precisely this sort of mess if they figured it would give them advantage in the tournament. You need to have positively water proof rules or he'll arque you until you feel like giving WO just to avoid playing that game.

I never said definitive, I merely cited a precedent.

LBH

 

[JayRaider]

So Matt/Mongoose any plans for either of these ships? after all the other Pak ships for B5W made it.......

Not for those ships, no - at least, not for the pak'ma'ra. They may appear elsewhere.

The pak'ma'ra _will_ be getting another ship for 2e, but it comes from another race. . .

Incidentally, we very much want to hear what you think of these rules - all comments will be fed into the 2e churning machine, allowing us to refine the fleet list. This is the whole reason we brought them out early!

Frak, i shouldn't have painted my Thartanok and REsku carriers in Pak colors! :?

 

[MustEatBrains]

Frak, i shouldn't have painted my Thartanok and REsku carriers in Pak colors! :?

I was lucky enough not to when I heard about it - btw, I wouldn´t have thought I´d ever see this thread of mine again...

 

[JayRaider]

I'mm painting up a Pak MA Ra fleet at the moment, the center piece was gonna be my Thartanok :x :lol: :lol:

 

[JayRaider]

With PAk MA RA redundancy, if u are CBAD SA, does this increase the save from the usual 5+ to 4+?

Also, a PAk ship takes 1crew, 1 hull damage, do i roll for both of these hits ? (even if they were both caused by the same single attack?)

 

[MustEatBrains]

With PAk MA RA redundancy, if u are CBAD SA, does this increase the save from the usual 5+ to 4+?

Also, a PAk ship takes 1crew, 1 hull damage, do i roll for both of these hits ? (even if they were both caused by the same single attack?)

a.) I think that you´d take two separate rolls, one for the special action, and one for redundancy

b.) As far as I remember, you take two rolls