Asguard101
Mongoose
Are there any rules in place for Orion to use their Optional Weapon Mounts for Scout Trait?
Orion Scouts???
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5L1 Federation Commander Rule Book. Last 2 sentances.
Orions never used phaser-4s and any phaser-4s on any Base Card are replaced by phaser-1s.
✪Orions cannot use special sensors (5S).
Orion ships adding Special Sensors to thier inherent Stealth score and unlimited engine doubling are almost unkillable in SFB.
Orions never used phaser-4s and any phaser-4s on any Base Card are replaced by phaser-1s.
✪Orions cannot use special sensors (5S).
Orion ships adding Special Sensors to thier inherent Stealth score and unlimited engine doubling are almost unkillable in SFB.
Finlos said:Special sensors were an option from the appropriate chart in the back of Advanced Missions. References available upon request
Please, Ive completely missed it (Ive got the silver anniversary master rulebook and a copy of advanced mission if it helps send me in the right direction) - even just a rule ID that I can trace....I know at least one player who will go potty at the idea...
MYRM!! DON"T DO IT!!! YOU HAVE TO MUCH TO LIVE FOR BRO!!!!!!
Once you go there there is no forget what you read regardless how much therapy you recieve. :twisted:
Seriously though, the fact that there is not a Orion Scout in the ACTAJ and there is a Tholian one, seems to imply that SVC is considering saying no to them just like Phaser-3s on Shuttle Craft. But hey to each his own.
Once you go there there is no forget what you read regardless how much therapy you recieve. :twisted:
Seriously though, the fact that there is not a Orion Scout in the ACTAJ and there is a Tholian one, seems to imply that SVC is considering saying no to them just like Phaser-3s on Shuttle Craft. But hey to each his own.
Asguard101
Mongoose
If Orions are not allowed to have Scouts, they are screwed. They start off with an -1 initiative. You add a +1 initiative for the enemy fielding a scout, and the Orions not being allowed to field one, and possibly another +1 depending on what Empire they are fighting.
Asguard101 said:
Welcome to the Life of a Pirate. :wink:
You know they already get to use EVERY weapon in the game and every ship already has a permanent Scout Function in play in their Stealth score. Eventually they are even going to get their hands on Cloaking Devices. Would it be easy to win without scouts no. Would it be impossible no. Would the use of a Orion Heavy Scout (or 3) torque the system to the point other Empires can not fight a Orion Fleet?
In reality the Orions are Pirates not a Navy and as such their operations and ships reflect that. Can they field a Fleet sure they eventually got conjectural units for almost everything in the game. The Question really is should they? I would much rather see a rule included that allowed the Other Empires to hire a handful of Mercenary making the holes in Orion Fleet less of a handicap. Does this still leave open the door for a "The Pirates Go For Big Game," scenario yes it would.
If the Orions finally get scouts I hope they are limited to Smaller Scouts or cost so much that taking one has to be really weighed.
Finlos said:
Thanks - noticeably its considerably more expensive to put a special sensor in that most other systems - would be easy to justify leaving out those expensive systems.
As a total aside I did notice going through Module G3 to find that info that there's an extra line in the G3 annexes of the master ship chart that says 'Warship Status' which I have no idea what its for. I was vaguely hoping that as well as F&E command rating that chart might include the F&E Ew ratings as well (no joy unfortunately).
As to distress, no thats not a worry, we are way beyond that for Optional mounts, ever since some time in the late 80s it got very acrimonious as one guy insisted that he should be allowed to use optional mounts to load in a mauler and while the rules didnt allow it we as a group should work out the cost. That turned into a wasted weekend..... :evil:
To be perfectly fair I did find refrence to only 2 Orion Scouts. A Light Raider Scout (LRS) (EW1) and a War Destroyer Scout (DWS) (EW2).
That does not mean they will be in ACTASF. If they were you can assume that they would replace all Option Mounts with the corresponding EW Rating. Also they will be more Expensive than scout upgrades as seen in other fleets.
That does not mean they will be in ACTASF. If they were you can assume that they would replace all Option Mounts with the corresponding EW Rating. Also they will be more Expensive than scout upgrades as seen in other fleets.
The Ship Information Tables posted over in the F&E section of the BBS might help; here is the current revision of the Orion SIT.
OK looking down those tables (Kzinti and Klingon in this case) - some seen a little strange for F&E ratings.....I mean the Kziniti SCS has four scout channels but no EW rating in F&E, and the Klingon PFTs have some weird EW lists they are all (EW#:AF#) and then a repeat of that pattern - with the EW going down and the AF going up....my copy of F&E (a 93 one I think) doesnt help me decode them as it seems to just consider things as Scout or not rather than graded.....do you know why the differences there?
Myrm: You are a bit confused.
The Kzinti SCS (Space Control Ship) does not have sensor channels, it's the SSCS (SUPER Space Control Ship) that does.
As for the PFTs with the multiple ratings: Those ships still have heavy weapons in addition to the sensors. Sincethe use of heavy weapons "blinds" your special sensors, you lose EW ability as you fire more and more heavy weapons.
To recreate this in F&E, the owning player is allowedto select from a multitude of EW/AF (Attack Factors) to represent how much of the ships combat potential is being directed towards combat and how much is being scrificed for extra EW points.
The Kzinti SCS (Space Control Ship) does not have sensor channels, it's the SSCS (SUPER Space Control Ship) that does.
As for the PFTs with the multiple ratings: Those ships still have heavy weapons in addition to the sensors. Sincethe use of heavy weapons "blinds" your special sensors, you lose EW ability as you fire more and more heavy weapons.
To recreate this in F&E, the owning player is allowedto select from a multitude of EW/AF (Attack Factors) to represent how much of the ships combat potential is being directed towards combat and how much is being scrificed for extra EW points.
