nukes

[Lord David the Denied]

All the weapons we see are direct-hit weapons, only the e-mines the Narn use are area-effect. If you can hit with a discrete packet of charged particles you can do the same with a guided missile.

 

[Shadow Queen]

I wanted to keep my 2nd edition nukes close to Bryan Steele's as possable. @ inq101 please look in your inbox

 

[Ulkesh]

Narns had them too (sheridan had to borrow his set form them for the shadow homeworld), but only get emines in the game.

I think it was a Gaim fusion bomb that he borrowed... at least thats what I remember...

There was also Thirdspace where Sheridan carried Tactical Nuclear Munitions to destroy the gate.

EDIT: Ugh sorry didnt see that there were two pages... thought it was a single page. Scratch this if its already been said.

 

[Shadow Queen]

Narns had them too (sheridan had to borrow his set form them for the shadow homeworld), but only get emines in the game.

I think it was a Gaim fusion bomb that he borrowed... at least thats what I remember...

There was also Thirdspace where Sheridan carried Tactical Nuclear Munitions to destroy the gate.

EDIT: Ugh sorry didnt see that there were two pages... thought it was a single page. Scratch this if its already been said.

he took tow of them

 

[Taran]

Of course, nowadays, we think that about nuclear weapons...well, we'll just have to see how that works out as they become available to a wider cultural mix of governments and NGOs.

I disagree here. Push Button warfare will take Teh humanity out of warfare and make it too easy. IF we dont see teh horror then why would we Not go to war. The threat of deat is something that has kept presidents and kings from going to war 90% of the time.

Exactly. Our politicians and public in the US are already too enamored of the idea that "People don't die in war unless something went wrong."
Now give them the option to wage war at a fraction of the cost and with exactly 0 friendly casualties...

Also, unmanned warfare makes one very vulnerable to electronic warfare. This is because in order to have unmanned craft you either 1) need to build in an AI or 2) need to control it remotely. Both are susceptible to difference kinds of EW, what amounts to hacking. At which point, the bigger threat isn't the enemy destroying your craft but rather hacking it and turning it against you.

NO EW doesnt amount to hacking. Cyber Warfare is hacking. EW is something completely different. It is interferrence with radars and radio signals. Hacking is taking contol of or invading someones network. I know I am a US Navy Electronic warfare technician.[/quote]

Um, no, Cyber Warfare is called Cracking. I would expect an EW Tech to be acquainted with enough Crackers to have been informed of the public's misnaming of their activities. Hacking is something else, though not totally unrelated.
Oh, and it IS a part of EW. EW: Electronic Warfare: any portion of the battle or war carried out via electronic capabilities. Such as the current US and Israeli ability to crack Russian-made SAM systems and take control of them so that aircraft can reach their targets virtually unopposed...
Granted, not something a Navy EW Tech is going to do as your job is primarily tactical defense of your vessel and defeating your target's defensive EW...

 

[dag'karlove]

Of course, nowadays, we think that about nuclear weapons...well, we'll just have to see how that works out as they become available to a wider cultural mix of governments and NGOs.

I disagree here. Push Button warfare will take Teh humanity out of warfare and make it too easy. IF we dont see teh horror then why would we Not go to war. The threat of deat is something that has kept presidents and kings from going to war 90% of the time.

Exactly. Our politicians and public in the US are already too enamored of the idea that "People don't die in war unless something went wrong."
Now give them the option to wage war at a fraction of the cost and with exactly 0 friendly casualties...

Also, unmanned warfare makes one very vulnerable to electronic warfare. This is because in order to have unmanned craft you either 1) need to build in an AI or 2) need to control it remotely. Both are susceptible to difference kinds of EW, what amounts to hacking. At which point, the bigger threat isn't the enemy destroying your craft but rather hacking it and turning it against you.

NO EW doesnt amount to hacking. Cyber Warfare is hacking. EW is something completely different. It is interferrence with radars and radio signals. Hacking is taking contol of or invading someones network. I know I am a US Navy Electronic warfare technician.

Um, no, Cyber Warfare is called Cracking. I would expect an EW Tech to be acquainted with enough Crackers to have been informed of the public's misnaming of their activities. Hacking is something else, though not totally unrelated.

No Cracking (Also Known as Cryptology) is Breaking Encrytions. Thus where you get Cracking a code. Hacking is Invading a computer network to either disrupt or disable said network.
Oh, and it IS a part of EW. EW: Electronic Warfare: any portion of the battle or war carried out via electronic capabilities. Such as the current US and Israeli ability to crack Russian-made SAM systems and take control of them so that aircraft can reach their targets virtually unopposed...

Wrong again: Electronic Warfare is considered part of Information Warfare. Cyberwarfare encompasses Hacking and to some extent Cracking. Here is The definition of electronic warfare: Electronic warfare (EW) is the use of the electromagnetic spectrum to effectively deny the use of this medium by an adversary, while optimizing its use by friendly forces. Electronic warfare has three main components: electronic support, electronic attack, and electronic protection.

ES:Electronic support (ES) is the passive use of the electromagnetic spectrum to gain intelligence about other parties on the battlefield in order to find, identify, locate and intercept potential threats or targets. This intelligence, known as ELINT, might be used directly by fire-control systems for artillery or air strike orders, for mobilization of friendly forces to a specific location or objective on the battlefield, or as the basis of electronic attack or electronic protection actions.

EA:Electronic attack (EA) is the active or passive use of the electromagnetic spectrum to deny its use by an adversary.

Active EA includes such activities as jamming, deception, active cancellation, and EMP use.
Passive EA includes such activities as the use of chaff, towed decoys, balloons, radar reflectors, winged decoys, and stealth.
EA operations can be detected by an adversary due to their active transmissions. Many modern EA techniques are considered to be highly classified.

An older term for EA is electronic countermeasures (ECM).

EP:Electronic protection (EP) includes all activities related to making enemy EA activities less successful by means of protecting friendly personnel, facilities, equipment or objectives. EP can also be implemented to prevent friendly forces from being affected by their own EA.

Active EP includes such activities as technical modifications to radio equipment (such as frequency-hopping spread spectrum).
Passive EP includes such activities as the education of operators (enforcing strict discipline) and modified battlefield tactics or operations.
Older terms for EP include electronic protective measures (EPM) and electronic counter countermeasures (ECCM).
Like I said This is My Job , How I make My money and I am VERY VERY good at it.
Granted, not something a Navy EW Tech is going to do as your job is primarily tactical defense of your vessel and defeating your target's defensive EW...[/quote]

Strike 3 Youre out: Right now In my Current Job I am Teaching airforce marine navy and army pilots How to defeat SAMS by using a multitude of systems and countermeasures at thier disposal. There is another guy who runs these forums Angelus-2000 who used to work with me and do the same job I do. He will tell you the exact same things i did.

 

[Taran]

Strike 3 Youre out: Right now In my Current Job I am Teaching airforce marine navy and army pilots How to defeat SAMS by using a multitude of systems and countermeasures at thier disposal. There is another guy who runs these forums Angelus-2000 who used to work with me and do the same job I do. He will tell you the exact same things i did.

I am failing to figure out where I am wrong on this last point. The "vessel" in question just happens to be an aircraft and you're in a teaching position.
My job relies on knowing the generalities of the different jobs available and, like you, I am Very good at what I do (for now, that is. I don't like it much).

Apparently, you (and the rest of the Navy) break down the whole EW bit more than myself (and the Army) do. EW includes cryptology and, well, all other use of electronics AS weapons of various kinds and big chunks of the EW field crosses over the MI field and then it starts to get a little complicated...

 

[montecristo345]

I did some searching becaues I was curious at what would happen to a nuke in space. And I found that the US and Russia both did some testing on it in the '50s and '60s. This is the link to the Wiki talking about it

Also there's a whole video on all of the testing you can buy it from amazon.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Another example, you and your wife (or child) are being chased by a bear. You know you're going to die because you can't outrun it. Now, the possibility exists that you could trip the other person or throw him or him at the bear. Well you survive. But would you even consider the option?


Not a concern. I always carry a gun. Anywhere there is a possibility of bears, I carry two. One much bigger than the other.

 

[David Anla Shok']

It was always my understanding that Sheridan was able to destroy the Minbari cruiser by luring it in very close to the nuke. It seemed to me that nukes were standard weapons in the EA fleet. They just couldn't get them close enough (due to Minbari stealth) to cause any real harm...

ShopKeepJon

Standard weapons that cannot be delivered? Not likely. Perhaps the Lexington was transporting them somewhere for ground forces to use?

 

[Lord David the Denied]

What ground forces? Lexington was on a patrol with several other ships, and there were no troop transports on screen.

 

[David Anla Shok']

What ground forces? Lexington was on a patrol with several other ships, and there were no troop transports on screen.

"Patrol". Usually between or among several points. I made a supposition that ships in this patrol may have had military supplies bound for units on their patrol route. Not specified in the episode but quite possible. Just a suggestion, mind. We are all guessing here and my guess is as valid as any.

 

[emperorpenguin]

It was always my understanding that Sheridan was able to destroy the Minbari cruiser by luring it in very close to the nuke. It seemed to me that nukes were standard weapons in the EA fleet. They just couldn't get them close enough (due to Minbari stealth) to cause any real harm...

ShopKeepJon

Standard weapons that cannot be delivered? Not likely. Perhaps the Lexington was transporting them somewhere for ground forces to use?

who says they can't be delivered? Could be carried on missiles/furies

the readout on the Sharlin in "Legacies" says it carries nukes too

a tactical weapon for use in certain circumstances, just like many modern warships carry nukes which have yet to see use in combat

 

[David Anla Shok']

It was always my understanding that Sheridan was able to destroy the Minbari cruiser by luring it in very close to the nuke. It seemed to me that nukes were standard weapons in the EA fleet. They just couldn't get them close enough (due to Minbari stealth) to cause any real harm...

ShopKeepJon

Standard weapons that cannot be delivered? Not likely. Perhaps the Lexington was transporting them somewhere for ground forces to use?

who says they can't be delivered? Could be carried on missiles/furies

As I recollect, he called them "warheads". Mayhave been just a loose use of terms. It they were meant to be used on missles I'd suspect that they would have been mounted on such, yet the Hyperion doesn't use them.

the readout on the Sharlin in "Legacies" says it carries nukes too

a tactical weapon for use in certain circumstances, just like many modern warships carry nukes which have yet to see use in combat

 

[Taran]

Another example, you and your wife (or child) are being chased by a bear. You know you're going to die because you can't outrun it. Now, the possibility exists that you could trip the other person or throw him or him at the bear. Well you survive. But would you even consider the option?

Not a concern. I always carry a gun. Anywhere there is a possibility of bears, I carry two. One much bigger than the other.

Granted. But you could say that EA ships do the same. Now let's assume that for whatever reason, the bear, like the Minbari ships, is unkillable given the guns you have. Now what?

 

[David Anla Shok']

Another example, you and your wife (or child) are being chased by a bear. You know you're going to die because you can't outrun it. Now, the possibility exists that you could trip the other person or throw him or him at the bear. Well you survive. But would you even consider the option?

Not a concern. I always carry a gun. Anywhere there is a possibility of bears, I carry two. One much bigger than the other.

Granted. But you could say that EA ships do the same. Now let's assume that for whatever reason, the bear, like the Minbari ships, is unkillable given the guns you have. Now what?

Bonzai! Ramming speed!

 

[Taran]

Which is exactly what a lot of EA captains decided. They didn't turn to the other option they may have had (the nukes we think they may have been carrying).

The truth of the effects of nukes in space may very well have been beside the point if the psychological damage to the human race in general was bad enough after San Diego (?) was nuked...

 

[David Anla Shok']

Which is exactly what a lot of EA captains decided. They didn't turn to the other option they may have had (the nukes we think they may have been carrying).

The truth of the effects of nukes in space may very well have been beside the point if the psychological damage to the human race in general was bad enough after San Diego (?) was nuked...

Depends on the people. Some would shrink away in horror, others would pragmatically use whatever was in their arsenal.

 

[Taran]

Exactly. And one thing Sheridan stayed in character as throughout the whole series was being pragmatic enough to use whatever weapons he had.

 

[Juzza]

the show fails when nukes are involved what was really needed was half pie decent writers that can think beyond the current shows plot

still i don't see why the game can't go down the nuke path. Make it a one shot wonder that does heaps of damage then thats it can't be used for the rest of the game unless Sheridan on board then you can have as many nukes as ya want cause he carrys them around in brief case's :lol: