Not Another White Star Thread (TM)

Ya lets cut down a ship and not give it anything in return. Sounds like a great idea. Proves that if you cry long and hard MGP will make the changes to let you win. Why try and work towards it yourself.
 
Kosh127 said:
Ya lets cut down a ship and not give it anything in return. Sounds like a great idea. Proves that if you cry long and hard MGP will make the changes to let you win. Why try and work towards it yourself.
[sarcasm]Yeah, let's keep an overpowered ship exactly as it is despite the obvious flaws. Sounds like a great idea. Proves that MGP doesn't want a balanced game, it only wants to sell more of the most popular ships. Who needs a balanced game?[/sarcasm]
 
taking away and not giving anything back is not balancing its killing. PIF Gaim they were broken an dneed to be fixed. Now well hey they are to weak and MGP won't hear anyone out about it. But they will catter to the EA and in the past they came out and said it. That they come out with the most for them because they were at the time there best seller. So ya nice and balanced.
 
So does this mean ships that are strong vs white stars like shadow scouts and liati are gonna get the same treatment. After all if its all about balance and all :wink:
 
awhile back we someone did a comparison between the White Star and a Shadow Scout. The White Star still outclassed a Scout. Also, the ISA can take allies to shore up every hole they have. Shadows still dont have a skirmish ship so I would say balance is there and quite honestly ISA with Allies is still the most abusable fleet in the game.
 
Juzza said:
So does this mean ships that are strong vs white stars like shadow scouts and liati are gonna get the same treatment. After all if its all about balance and all :wink:

I would say that the Liati would depend on the treatment of the Gunship - its WS equivalent - if that goes down in power (like the enforcer variant) it would be very difficult to keep the Liati at teh same level.

Shadow Scout - it already has 8" guns -its very good - but as its the only ship choice below battle - reducing its effectiveness is not i feel a good idea. The new Accurate AF beam is likely to be a problem as well for the White Stars.

note I am concerned that the new White Star will suffer very badly against certain fleets (Centauri, Pak, Gaim and Shadows)
 
Triggy said:
Kosh127 said:
Ya lets cut down a ship and not give it anything in return. Sounds like a great idea. Proves that if you cry long and hard MGP will make the changes to let you win. Why try and work towards it yourself.
[sarcasm]Yeah, let's keep an overpowered ship exactly as it is despite the obvious flaws. Sounds like a great idea. Proves that MGP doesn't want a balanced game, it only wants to sell more of the most popular ships. Who needs a balanced game?[/sarcasm]

dude, it's ISA, it can't be overpowered, you know that. ISA players are renowned for their balanced fleet choices and uncheesy style of play.
 
Da Boss said:
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note I am concerned that the new White Star will suffer very badly against certain fleets (Centauri, Pak, Gaim and Shadows)

I'm not trying to teach a granny to suck eggs but just to clarify...

The ISA don't have to pick whitestars against these fleets. If these changes mean the ISA actually have to make a tactical choice when picking a fleet then it's all good for me.
 
true except of course in tourneys - also I would rather not encourage the taking of Allies when the fromer League is being reduced in choice and the ISA is not (has more choice now with additional variants in P+P)
 
mollari_uk said:
The ISA don't have to pick whitestars against these fleets. If these changes mean the ISA actually have to make a tactical choice when picking a fleet then it's all good for me.

Yes, at 5-point raid they could take 9 Nolo'tars and a Liandra.

Or maybe a Tara'lin and two Nolo'tars. Then they could accuse any opponent of being cheesy because they've taken a swarm fleet.

Outside of the Whitestar family there is not a whole lot in the ISA.
 
The ISA fleet isn't that big, but then neither is the Vorlon, Pak, Shadow, ipsha or hurr fleet. but again, ALLIES! sure only 1FAP, but thats 1 FAP of about 30 different ships (probably more in fact)

as an addition to this post, "maybe" we could see old minbari ships re-statted to join the ISA, after all we have the nolotar (admitedly not in the minbari fleet any more) the tara lin, Nials. so how about a tinashi varient, after all, it's a pretty old ship design?

look, see, I can be reasonable, i' advocating a new ship for ISA thats not WS based!! ;-)
 
Agreed, Allies tips the ISA into a different league as the ship selection is vast - the largest in the entire game and has most of the very best ships in their PL.

I would have prefered any ISA nerf to be to their Allies rule............
 
I would prefer an ISA nerf to be the CQ+1 bonus, and also take it away from the other fleets (Vree, Psi Corps) as well. It unfaily skews the difficulty of special orders for other fleets. Give ISA a higher initiative to represent the rangers superior training.
 
Burger said:
I would prefer an ISA nerf to be the CQ+1 bonus, and also take it away from the other fleets (Vree, Psi Corps) as well. It unfaily skews the difficulty of special orders for other fleets. Give ISA a higher initiative to represent the rangers superior training.

I mentioned to triggy many moons ago about the +1CQ. sure some rangers will be great, but we see WS flown by religious caste!. so to keep "some" elite ships, how about 2FAP are +1CQ as they are full on ranger ships, the rest are religious dudes!
but then, the Warrior caste are surely as skilled as a Ranger, so they deserve +1CQ, but then the narn have been in constant war for decades, so they deserve +1CQ for that battle epxeriance, and then many Earth force commanders fought the dilgar and the minbari. . . you see where this is going. . .
 
Burger said:
I would prefer an ISA nerf to be the CQ+1 bonus, and also take it away from the other fleets (Vree, Psi Corps) as well. It unfaily skews the difficulty of special orders for other fleets. Give ISA a higher initiative to represent the rangers superior training.

I liked Triggy's idea of giving the ISA +4 In on their own and 0 if they opperated with allies................
 
but if those allies are highly trained minbari why would they drag the initiative down? how about lowest init, so IF you took pak, you'd be a bit boned, but taking Minbari would be ok as they too are highly drilled.
 
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