Non-Glorantha MRQ...

As far as establishing a new product line. Yes it does not come with a guaranteed audience, yes it might sell less, but if it marketed properly, and it is a well written, edited, produced, and original item it will sell. No guarantees, but White Wolf would not have had the success it has had with Exalted, or WOTC with Eberron. A large portion of Mongoose's product line is licensed IP. This carries restrictions, and royalties/fees with it. Yes it gives a certain amount of guaranteed income in return, but its not going to give you a homerun. MGP appears to be getting to the point where they can afford to risk developing something of this nature.

As far as my problem with Glorantha being the flagship, is that marketing is perception. Perception of the average purchaser is that Runequest = Glorantha. I see that as a problem. A system you are setting up as an OGL is in the eyes of the off the shelf consumer tied to a niche product which is licensed. Also lets look at why it is OGL. That's right because we all know where WOTC is headed when 4th Edition comes out, no more SRD. So in essence you are attempting to create a similar stir with RQ as d20 did when it came out with the OGL. d20 made sure there was a clear distinction between D&D, it's individual campaign settings, and third party product. This line just seems to be a little bit hazy from what I have seen
when it comes to MRQ.

Having multiple licensed niche lines is dispersion, not focus. All I am hoping for is a focus other than Glorantha. I doubt it will happen, so I will look to third party publishers to provide that, or just make it myself, which is what I do nine times out of ten.

Part of it is also the fact that you look at these forums as an example and it is mostly about Glorantha. Assuming you have no interest in Glorantha, which I will go on the record as saying that I don't, you have to essentially wade through a pile of Glorantha related subjects, or posts. If you were coming here to check out this new/old OGL system and looked at the forums you would be very likely to walk away with the idea that RQ=Glorantha. If you had no desire to deal with Glorantha, you might even just say well I want nothing to do with MRQ. Anyway I am done with my little rant. Sorry if anyone was offended.
 
No one was offended. It is just that we do not share your view about how the market is headed. Since none of us has a market analysis about where the RPG market is going at hand (well, maybe Rick has one, as he is a publisher, but I'd bet he even does not have on in fact), everyone is entitled to have his own opinion.

I for one would like to see a lot of non-glorantha RQ supplements, and a lot of Glorantha in various formats. I would play both. History says that both lines should be developed for MRQ to be successful - BOTH, neither Glorantha only nor Gateway/Newhon/whatever. But saying that the strong ties between Glorantha and RQ were a reason for its downfall is not correct IMO. RQ benefited from Glorantha (yet there are still a lot of people who play RQ but not Glorantha) and Glorantha benefited from RQ. <heresy>That Glorantha benefited from HQ it is still to be proved.</heresy>
 
Interesting discussion. I don't have any insider knowledge of the RPG industry but I have followed it for about 30 years now and I have bought a lot of material, both good and bad. IMO Mongoose currently seems to be headed down the right road. What attracted my friends and I to RQ back in the late 70's/early 80's was a combination of the rule mechanics and Glorantha. Whether you love Glorantha or not, it is a very well written and developed game world.

That said RQ and Glorantha have never been the same thing and Chaosium proved that D100 systems can be readily adapted to other settings. I remember trying to use the stats for Conan, Elric and the like from the old D&D "God's Demigods and Heroes" supplement in my games and they just never felt right using D20. IMO RQ does a far better job of recreating the "feel" of classic fantasy literature than D&D ever could. Unfortunately the RQ line stagnated under AH and I think that was what killed it rather than ties to Glorantha. The reason I started playing other systems was that there just wasn't enough new material coming out for RQ and I didn't always have the substantial time investment it took to generate NPC and creature stats before each game.

Personally, I now buy both Glorantha and non-Glorantha material despite the fact I don't run a Glorantha-based game anymore. I plan on getting Lankhmar and would love to see other non-Glorantha material. I also plan on getting the Clanking City and any other Gloranthan supplement that looks cool (I just ordered both Cults books and have Magic of Glorantha already). I know Mongoose can't be all things to all people but as long as they keep putting out quality products they will keep getting my money and I think having a diverse product line while not abandoning the loyal Glorantha folk is the way to go.
 
I've run games in Glorantha, but I like other worlds as well. My last RQ campaign (a couple of years ago) was set in the Viking Age.

Currently I'm building a stone-age civilization (Atlantis) game. I will use the RQ system. This will be a world where hostile proto-gods are struggling for dominence of the human race - a struggle that will end the ice age and flood humanity's emerging civilization. Part of the idea came from Slaine...

I plan to pick up Lanhkmar as soon as I have a couple of bucks to rub together. I would definitely buy a Hyborian RQ guide - although I'd prefer to use it with the Mongoose Conan material I already have.
 
What is interesting is that the Lhankmar Book has been out for, what, a month now, and there have been no threads or questions about the city of Lhankar or the world of Newhon.

Similarly, there have been very few threads or questions about the PDFs produced by Seraphim Games and the other non-Mongoose RQM publishers.

Perhaps people just aren't as interested in these worlds as they are in Glorantha.

So, come on, where are the Lhankmar questions?
 
Greetings

I played Glorantha (a long time ago) and bought MRQ primarily for use in non-Glorantha settings as an alternative to D20. However I developed my own setting so the presence or absence of commercial settings didn't worry me very much.

Regards
 
Seriously though, I'm not sure about other publishers, but Ronin Arts first MRQ supplement (expanded professions) was the their top selling product the month it was released (and it was released the same month as Ken Hite's Tarot of Cthulhu - if that title is not a collection of industry favorite buzzwords I don't know what is). I'm not sure how RQ has done for them since as Phil hasn't released any top seller info since then.

I don't know much about OWC's Diomin or how it has done. Seraphim has put a couple of handy supplements but not much more - I'm not sure if that has to do with sales or not. Postmortems release seemed well recieved.

I am very curious about Sceaptunes first release - It is the first 'Major' supplement by a new third party vendor. It seems reminiscent of the early Chaosium supplements - Source and scenarios, everything you need to start playing in one book - the preview looks good too. Anyone have it and want to give a quick review? Normally it is the type of thing I would buy the PDF of to see if I wanted to buy into the line. Right now I'd have to arrange to get it shipped from overseas (of course if MGP keeps pushing back releases I'll be able to afford that in my gaming budget :) ).

Ronin Arts 30 Nights 30 Crimes is a similar source/playable content supplement, but I'm not sure how far off that is. Really, this and Sceaptunes Exile are the first major 3rd party supplements I can think of.

Hope I haven't missed anyone.
 
soltakss said:
So, come on, where are the Lhankmar questions?

Glad you asked actually. I've been considering buying Lankhmar but the only comments I've read about it to date concern the black magic system. That sounds interesting but I would like to know what kind of opinions people have regarding the city itself and/or any maps that are provided.

I seem to recall having an old AD&D version of Lankhmar somewhere, any opinions on how the MRQ version stacks up against the old? Thanks.
 
Rurik said:
I don't know much about OWC's Diomin or how it has done.

The Diomin PDF's have done pretty well, easily the top sellers the month they were released. I'll admit that I thought Taint and Sanity would do better, but it's been an ok release.

We'll be doing more RQ material but I'm swamped at the moment work wise.

Hyrum.
 
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