Nolo'Tar and Flyer

[Shadow Queen]

I think that some races should be able to be Aliled with another race like Narn and Raiders or the like

 

[Alexb83]

I would've thought that the flyer is straight out of the Minbari fleet list, like the Nial was. Just up the CQ.

 

[H]

The show also NEVER shows the Whitestar being used by the mibari, as a Minbari military asset, it is used by members of the religious caste as a ship for use by the rangers and sheridan. whatever you believe the Minbari does have a miltary fleet, allbeit made up of the diferent castes, Whitestars opperate outside of that Hierarchy and chain of command, therefore, technically, they are not ships available to the minbari fleets.

 

[Shadow Queen]

Oi you lot! This is supposed to be about the Flyer being inserted into the ISA fleet or not, since it is included in the Nol'Tar. If you want to whine about other things, get your own thread

In some eps you do see a flyer and in the rpg books it says craft: Flyers

 

[H]

I think that some races should be able to be Aliled with another race like Narn and Raiders or the like

likewise the Drakh should be able to send Centauri ships out on missions, but it doesn't happen.

 

[Alexb83]

But why not? Why no 'keeper' rule that lets them field an FAP of Centauri in non-campaign games? What's the crime with allowing (Non ISA) fleets to use varied assets? Is the possibility that players might have to rethink their tactics against fleet x really that scary?

 

[katadder]

the Drakh work behind the scenes with the centauri, so having drakh ships turn up alongside centauri ones would kind of give the game away.
The ISA is the only fleet really to use all the races ships alongside their own, they dont tend to lend whitestars to other races however.

 

[H]

But why not? Why no 'keeper' rule that lets them field an FAP of Centauri in non-campaign games? What's the crime with allowing (Non ISA) fleets to use varied assets? Is the possibility that players might have to rethink their tactics against fleet x really that scary?

not at all, thats of course why you can still field league fleets, which can he as horrible as a fleet of Trolligans!
We have kinda gone onto a new point, and on this, I agree, allies SHOULD be allowed, especially in campaign games, indeed, we usually allow 1 FAP per battle if wished, now, if the Minbari took ISA ALLIES I have no issue, it's when you mention them choosing them with their own fleet list I disagree.

 

[Alexb83]

I've mentioned extensively in other posts that I think the White Star should at the least be a unique option for the Minbari. Frankly the Nolo'tar I think should be unique for the ISA only, not a general option (by legend of the rangers the impression was given that she was the very last one left, and had been for some time).

Whereas the Minbari fielded them for the 1000 years previous in varying no.s

That's just my take on it.

But I think: Shadows should get Drakh allies 'dark servants'. ISA get ISA members. League get each other. Dilgar maybe get Minbari, Minbari get ISA, and so on and so on... Narn can take raiders or vice-versa.

Kat, the Drakh never fought openly against anyone in the show (except the Minbari and later the EA after they were exposed), they only ever fought through other people (namely the Centauri). There's all sorts of ways the Centauri could wave their hands and say 'our ship was stolen', we had nothing to do with it. Fact was, in the show, Drakh used Centauri ships. Why not add this into the game?

Variety is the spice of life... it'd add an element of fun to tournaments beyond 'oh look, stealth ships' or 'whee, the beam team again'.

 

[Burger]

Dilgar maybe get Minbari

WTF?? Space Elves fighting alongside Space Nazis?

 

[Alexb83]

Let's not forget that certain races exchanged biological weapons and hid certain people in certain places, and so on... I admit, that one might be a stretch.

 

[Da Boss]

Of course both Minbari and Dilgar had things in common - genocide for one (was it two races they wiped out and tried to do the same to Earth), Massive arrogance and intolerance - at least the Warrior class.
Still doubt they would have allied - the mibari are too far above the lesser races etc................In fact the Minbari are quite close to the present Eldar - they disdain the other races and consider the universe theirs.............

 

[Alexb83]

I think that's completely at odds with Minbari philosophy as displayed by Delenn and Lennier throughout the show.

Anyways, one caste of the Minbari did ally with at least one Dilgar - see Deathwalker.

I think people treat the Minbari too much as a unified race - each of the castes has their own agenda, and in the show we do see them do things behind the collective backs of the grey council.

 

[katadder]

an in each caste their are many clans. it wasnt the warrior caste that hid Deathwalker, it was the windswords clan.

 

[Burger]

I think one clan hiding someone who has discovered an anti-agapic, is a little different to a Sharlin helping defend Omelos

 

[Da Boss]

I think that's completely at odds with Minbari philosophy as displayed by Delenn and Lennier throughout the show.

Anyways, one caste of the Minbari did ally with at least one Dilgar - see Deathwalker.

I think people treat the Minbari too much as a unified race - each of the castes has their own agenda, and in the show we do see them do things behind the collective backs of the grey council.

Well for the puposes of the game we have to treat as one race - unless they change to different Caste fleets which I have not heard about?
I always though that Delenn and Lennier were supposed to represent the best of their race - a race resonsible for heinous crimes.

 

[Alexb83]

I think each and every one of the major races was responsible for heinous crimes, against each other, against themselves. The Earth Alliance is no exception

I did espouse at one point a split into 3 different caste fleets, with different fleet bonuses for the different castes.

 

[Greg Smith]

I always though that Delenn and Lennier were supposed to represent the best of their race - a race resonsible for heinous crimes.

Delenn was at least partially responsible. She gave the order: "Kill all of them! All of them! No mercy!"

 

[Alexb83]

She was only one vote out of 9 She was just the deciding vote...

 

[Da Boss]

Hmm yes but its interesting that (quite rightly) the Centauri /Drakh/EA are often considered "Evil" for their actions and the Minbari (being Vorlon pawns) comitting the same or even worse acts are not.