New Lone Wolf Logo
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Now, with the cover od Castle Death, there's the new layout.
Maybe it's better, maybe it's not, but it's still not the point.
The point is that this is not a Collector's Edition anymore...
I could have even tried to accept the new logo if it would have started with book 6, when there's basically a new series, but from vol.7 onward is mad, totally without any kind of sense.
The point is that I already spent 55 £(plus shipping) for 5 books, I planned to spend more than 350 £ for a COLLECTION, but for something that is not cohesive I should be mad.
One of the strongest values in Lone Wolf series is cohesiveness, but this time it got screwed.
The logo had been accepted by the fans, why changin' it?
The italian version has another kind of logo, the French and the German should find their solution.
The solution of their problem has not to fall on the back of other people.
The collector's is THE EDITION, if someone has to change something, it's their matter.
Maybe it's better, maybe it's not, but it's still not the point.
The point is that this is not a Collector's Edition anymore...
I could have even tried to accept the new logo if it would have started with book 6, when there's basically a new series, but from vol.7 onward is mad, totally without any kind of sense.
The point is that I already spent 55 £(plus shipping) for 5 books, I planned to spend more than 350 £ for a COLLECTION, but for something that is not cohesive I should be mad.
One of the strongest values in Lone Wolf series is cohesiveness, but this time it got screwed.
The logo had been accepted by the fans, why changin' it?
The italian version has another kind of logo, the French and the German should find their solution.
The solution of their problem has not to fall on the back of other people.
The collector's is THE EDITION, if someone has to change something, it's their matter.
longhairyuppiescum
Mongoose
Well, even if I don't think it's SOOO bad that the logo was changed at this time, I really liked the splatter logo from the beginning. (way better than the new one)
And I don't see the reasons for changing it either..
The Italian logo shows that with minor adjustments it CAN be used by foreign languages.
The other points are no real reasons (IMHO). If a logo looks great, that's what counts for me.
And by the way, every single edition in the past was using it's own logo. (The new approach to make "one size fits all" seems to be a "globalization" thing.. :roll: )
Take a look at the different covers online if you're interested..
E.g. British vs. US
or the different foreign language editions
f.e. the German edition got a unique logo in the 80' from the start (a quite cool one for that time IMO) which was also asymmetrical designed!
And I don't see the reasons for changing it either..
The Italian logo shows that with minor adjustments it CAN be used by foreign languages.
The other points are no real reasons (IMHO). If a logo looks great, that's what counts for me.
And by the way, every single edition in the past was using it's own logo. (The new approach to make "one size fits all" seems to be a "globalization" thing.. :roll: )
Take a look at the different covers online if you're interested..
E.g. British vs. US
or the different foreign language editions
f.e. the German edition got a unique logo in the 80' from the start (a quite cool one for that time IMO) which was also asymmetrical designed!
EvilRedEye
Mongoose
FrostHawk said:
MongooseCharlie said:
I think this is a bit melodramatic. The logo has changed and that's pretty much it. It's not like the cover design has been dramatically changed. Once they're all on a shelf you'll barely be able to tell the difference between the 'old logo' and 'new logo' books.
longhairyuppiescum
Mongoose
This I really doubt.EvilRedEye said:
Ed.: A rather important question is: Do/will the reprinted books 1-5 feature the new or the old logo? (I would strongly prefer the old one, please!)
EvilRedEye
Mongoose
Lycanthus said:EvilRedEye said:
So why do it then? I don't mean to sound arsey but I just don't see the point trying to 'unify' the LW brand. I think it's been ok for the past 20 years.
In fairness I do get that. I quite like the old logo, think it works well even in French and don't really see the benefit in all this international branding malarkey. But at the same time it's a fairly minor cosmetic change and it's so rare for a lengthy series of books to have consistent cover designs anyway... Remember this may be the only opportunity during our lifetimes to obtain the Lone Wolf series in hardback. I don't think that excuses all the errors made so far but for me the benefit of hardback outweighs some minor cosmetic inconsistencies.
Look at the spines. A small logo appears at the top. The logo isn't particularly clear from a distance. Unless they print the new logo in neon colours I doubt the difference will be that noticeable.
quote]Ed.: A rather important question is: Do/will the reprinted books 1-5 feature the new or the old logo? (I would strongly prefer the old one, please!)[/quote]
1 to 5 = old logo.
Wow, I can't believe people are arguing with such passion over the logo and when/why it should be changed on the books. :roll: In the original French edition of the books, they completely changed the layout of the covers when they published book 23 (which is, in fact, book 24 because the French editor switched the publication order of these two books). All the books that had been published before that were also changed. Since my collection wasn't completed at that time, I had to buy certain books (like book 7) with the new layout, so my collection is not homogeneous and it didn't matter me at all. Now, Mongoose only change the logo (not even the whole layout of the cover), and I see cries and tears. Meh, there's more important things IMO to argue about regarding these books... :roll:
That's what I said before BC.
Many countries had problems with the layouts.
Basically I'm really pernickety about it.
I never bought vol.27 and 28 of the Italian edition ecause they changed the layout.
So, when this CE was announced I was happy to have a cohesive collection and I don't see the point in changing the logo midway.
And I don't think I'm the only one that is pernickety, there's people who doesnn't care but still there is people who does.
It's like the people that like to have all their pencils sharp-pointed, maybe they're mad but I don't have the right to discuss the thing.
Or people that gets mad pictures are not straight when hung to a wall...
It's something in their nature.
It's like the fact that I never put a pencil on any kind of book I posses...it's against my nature, and believe it or not, having a collection that is not cohesive is against my nature.
You can think that I'm a psychiatric case...I'm sorry, but I'm that way.
The new logo applied to the cover is not as awful as I imagined, but I also think that it covers a greater part of the cover art.
Then I still don't understand why it has to be changed in the CE.
They can change it for the paperbacks, why do they have to change it even on the hardbacks?
I can also say that today I just received TCOD, the one from the new printing facility, and IMHO the older volumes from the old facility are slightly better, then I prefer the flat binding over the round one, but I don't find it a problem more than the new logo.
More than all I think that a little poll to ask the guys who PAYS, if they would have liked the change could have been a smart and clever move.
It's not too pleasant to be put in front of the finished decision.
The CE is something for the hardcore diehard fans (since we're less than 500) and should be done according to their likings, or at least to the likings of the majority of them.
Still I can't believe than JD come up with such a decision in this way.
I'm not angry or gone mad, but I'm quite disappointed and I've lost the enthusiasm, and people of ToTS can see that since this thing of the new logo came out I didn't visit ToTS anymore, because my passion diminished.
Many countries had problems with the layouts.
Basically I'm really pernickety about it.
I never bought vol.27 and 28 of the Italian edition ecause they changed the layout.
So, when this CE was announced I was happy to have a cohesive collection and I don't see the point in changing the logo midway.
And I don't think I'm the only one that is pernickety, there's people who doesnn't care but still there is people who does.
It's like the people that like to have all their pencils sharp-pointed, maybe they're mad but I don't have the right to discuss the thing.
Or people that gets mad pictures are not straight when hung to a wall...
It's something in their nature.
It's like the fact that I never put a pencil on any kind of book I posses...it's against my nature, and believe it or not, having a collection that is not cohesive is against my nature.
You can think that I'm a psychiatric case...I'm sorry, but I'm that way.
The new logo applied to the cover is not as awful as I imagined, but I also think that it covers a greater part of the cover art.
Then I still don't understand why it has to be changed in the CE.
They can change it for the paperbacks, why do they have to change it even on the hardbacks?
I can also say that today I just received TCOD, the one from the new printing facility, and IMHO the older volumes from the old facility are slightly better, then I prefer the flat binding over the round one, but I don't find it a problem more than the new logo.
More than all I think that a little poll to ask the guys who PAYS, if they would have liked the change could have been a smart and clever move.
It's not too pleasant to be put in front of the finished decision.
The CE is something for the hardcore diehard fans (since we're less than 500) and should be done according to their likings, or at least to the likings of the majority of them.
Still I can't believe than JD come up with such a decision in this way.
I'm not angry or gone mad, but I'm quite disappointed and I've lost the enthusiasm, and people of ToTS can see that since this thing of the new logo came out I didn't visit ToTS anymore, because my passion diminished.
First of all, I`ll take the books, whatever the logo will look like.
Secondly I`m totally with you!
This is not about some silly logo. It´s about principles.
Why are people collecting things anyway? It`s because they like to have something that belongs together and is somehow "more than the sum of its single parts", its an Idea if you like (@ evilredeye)
The homogeneous look shows unity and that is of importance for an collection.
I´m maybe a little bit fixed on my opinion - comes with a job that tells you the importance of a uniform - but since many people spent a lot of money (in advance) id would in fact really be nice to ask them how they would feel, about changing the product they allready payed for...
Btw (@ evilredeye) there are many Bookcollections that had never changed their design :wink:
Secondly I`m totally with you!
This is not about some silly logo. It´s about principles.
Why are people collecting things anyway? It`s because they like to have something that belongs together and is somehow "more than the sum of its single parts", its an Idea if you like (@ evilredeye)
The homogeneous look shows unity and that is of importance for an collection.
I´m maybe a little bit fixed on my opinion - comes with a job that tells you the importance of a uniform - but since many people spent a lot of money (in advance) id would in fact really be nice to ask them how they would feel, about changing the product they allready payed for...
Btw (@ evilredeye) there are many Bookcollections that had never changed their design :wink:
Thanks pjagum!
Now I know that I can say that I'm fixed too
(being Italian I didn't know how to explain my feelings very well)
The only thing I can say, because I really care very much about this collection, is that I can accept the changes in the logo if they happen 4 times in the whole series.
1-The "blood-splattered" logo for vol.1-5 (a bloody wolf for a man who seek revenge)
2-The "current logo" until vol.12 (a more wise wolf for a man who seek wisdom)
3-A new logo for vol.13-20 (I don't know...)
4-Another logo for vol.21-32 (a new logo for someone else that is a wolf no more)
That would be something that even if not homogeneous would surely make sense, and could be accepted more light-heartedly.
I'm not stubborn, I want only that anyone can have a product that they longed for in the best way possible.
Now I know that I can say that I'm fixed too
(being Italian I didn't know how to explain my feelings very well)The only thing I can say, because I really care very much about this collection, is that I can accept the changes in the logo if they happen 4 times in the whole series.
1-The "blood-splattered" logo for vol.1-5 (a bloody wolf for a man who seek revenge)
2-The "current logo" until vol.12 (a more wise wolf for a man who seek wisdom)
3-A new logo for vol.13-20 (I don't know...)
4-Another logo for vol.21-32 (a new logo for someone else that is a wolf no more)
That would be something that even if not homogeneous would surely make sense, and could be accepted more light-heartedly.
I'm not stubborn, I want only that anyone can have a product that they longed for in the best way possible.
EvilRedEye
Mongoose
pjagum said:
Depends what your priorities are really. If you want a durable hardback collection of Lone Wolf books made with quality materials then this is probably the only chance you'll get during your lifetime, or at least for several decades, so complaining about a minor cosmetic change seems a little churlish. If consistency is your primary concern then get the paperbacks.
I can see why people are annoyed but what's the point in getting het up about it when there's nothing that can be done? Presumably Mongoose are under some sort of licence here and their hands are tied. It's just one of those things, deal with it.
pjagum said:
Of course! But once you get that cookie (3-4 months after you have ordered it), you'll have to send it back because half of it would be already eaten. And then you would have to wait another 3-4 months because they would be changing the company making them. And then they will send it to you in a new package and people would be complaining about the change and how important it is to get a cookie in the very same package they got their last cookie in.
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