Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
We've got real depth, though. Unfortunately, most people can't see it past the sci-fi trappings and mock us anyway.
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Valen is my name
Mongoose
you do get some wacky b5 fans, my dad once saw someone who had made their own ISA uniform!
but we aren't as nerdy as trekies because b5 never got as nerdy, mainly because jms' writing ment that whilst it was a sci-fi program, it had developed plots and unlike star trek and star wars, you couldn't always tell who the good and the bad guys were, and the characters were a lot more developed than in star trek and star wars.
galaxy guest takes the micky out of star trek, but it would be a lot harder to do the same with b5.
but we aren't as nerdy as trekies because b5 never got as nerdy, mainly because jms' writing ment that whilst it was a sci-fi program, it had developed plots and unlike star trek and star wars, you couldn't always tell who the good and the bad guys were, and the characters were a lot more developed than in star trek and star wars.
galaxy guest takes the micky out of star trek, but it would be a lot harder to do the same with b5.
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
Valen is my name said:
Even when you make fun of B5, it´s still cool (remember "Star Wreck - in the Pirkinning?")
I´d say many B5ers also have a hang towards philosophy; there are many philosophical questions, topics and such in the series.
Oh, and I´d say B5 fans are more humourous than Trekkies or Star Wars fans - there´s more than a good laugh in the series, certainly more than in the other Sci-Fi universes.
super squirel
Mongoose
MustEatBrains said:
Well, what do you expect when Daffy Ducks greatest fan is one of the characters.
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
super squirel said:
What, are you making fun of the great egyptian god of frustration? Burn, unbeliever! Heretic! Pagan! Trekkie! :twisted:
MustEatBrains said:
Like: Universum was created with a word you know? But which became first, the word, or thought behind the word? You cannot create language without thought. And you cannot conceive thought without word. So which became first? The word? Or thought behind the word? And thus, created the universum?
Agh. B5 shouldn't ask such hard questions
I get headache if I try to think about it(nevermind when I try to wrap my mind around the fact there was during certain period 2 SAME copies of same item in the universum...Bloody time travels...) :lol:Greg Smith
Mongoose
Valen is my name said:
Modern Star Trek always went out of its way to show that the bad guys weren't always completely bad guys, there were plenty of sypathetic Romulans, Cardassians and Klingons. It even showed that individual Borg were as much victims as an unstoppable foes.
Characters in B5 were a little more subtle and possibly more realistic. You can hardly say that Worf, Picard, Spock were not developed.
MustEatBrains said:
The original Star Trek was far, far more progressive than Babylon 5. It featured many subjects Taboo at the time, including the first inter-racial kiss on TV. Having an alien as a crewmeber was unheard of before Star Trek. The character of Uhura was a huge positive influence to many, when black women were depicted on TV purely in the roles the filled in society - as mothers and servants, including Dr Mae Jemison and Whoopi Goldberg.
I would also point out that while B5 shied away from showing a lesbian kiss on TV, Star Trek DS9 didn't. Although neither was first.
While I won't make broad generalisations about the fans, most of the ones I've met of either series have senses of humour. Of the series themselves, Star Trek boasts the whole Spock/McCoy interplay (which JMS borrowed very heavily in Legend of the Rangers), as well as numerous light-hearted episodes throughout all 4 series, and Star Wars certainly wasn't lacking in humourous moments between R2 and 3PO or Chewbacca and other characters. Personally, I'd say B5 was less humorous than Trek or Star Wars, but that's my opinion. It certainly got more humour than BSG, but you'd expect that.
Now I'm a fan of B5, Star Wars and Star Trek, as well as many other shows. Don't think I'm trying to do B5 down, I'm just saying it isn't neccesarily all that different from other shows.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Star Trek was a vehicle for a lot of social and political comments, but the difference between it and B5, I think, is that B5 was written as a vehicle for these comments from the very beginning. Star Trek seems to just shoe-horn them in in the same way soaps do...
Not true, Star Trek was a massive comment from day one. The real difference if there is one in how they commented was that B5 was going for one uniting story line, Star Trek went for the monster of the week approach. Both approaches have their merits, and pit falls. Remember how our storyline got all hitched up by changing networks and not knowing if we had another season so lets scrunch a whole season into a final goodbye that turned out not to be a goodbye. Monster of the week allows a show to reflect the moment more as well when it has a long run.
Just saying B5 brought the long story arc to sci-fi shows in way that had not had much prominence before. That was good. Let's try not to say the the other approach, which has give us the majority of our great series, was somehow lacking in depth or integrity.
Ripple
Just saying B5 brought the long story arc to sci-fi shows in way that had not had much prominence before. That was good. Let's try not to say the the other approach, which has give us the majority of our great series, was somehow lacking in depth or integrity.
Ripple
Greg has summed it up nicely - also of course Stargate is very knowingly humerous (atlandtis not so good :wink: ) as was Farscape both having good characters - something BSG is extremelystrong in and is equally unafraid to deal with hard issues - sucicide bombing etc does have some humour.
