Mongoose minis for VAS?

Spence said:
If some of the posts on the other site are correct, a BB would be 7 to 9 inches. That is a bit too big to use at almost all of the FLGS's around here and I definitely couldn't at the house. On one of the standard tables half a dozen figs that size would be stacked up nearly touching.

No, that wouldn't be a model, that would be a toy to play with in the bath :)

As I recall, something like the Bismarck comes in at about 10cm. Noticeably larger than 1/3000 scale Navwar ships (which is what we have been using up to now!) but just enough to create more 'presence' on the table, not to overwhelm it.
 
Guys, the arithmetic is pretty simple - at 1:2400 scale, 1 inch = 200 feet, which means, for example, that the USS Iowa (overall length 887 feet) is a hair under 4.5 inches long. Not exactly huge, is it?
 
One advantage to the larger A&A WAS figs is to me the gun scale seems better on a table. But the other is fine. I game on the floor to.
 
So with that confirmation of VaS 2.0 in the blog (http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/), gotta ask my most burning question: will there be point values for ships?

Thanks,
-Tim
 
Though I did have an issue with the 1/1800 scale of War at Sea at first, I have come to appreciate the scale more and more over time. I have found that this scale is comparable to a lot of the sci-fi miniatures games coming out.

With the example that some of the Shapeways artists have been setting with their miniatures it will be hard to get me away from this scale. They have shown that is, maybe, the perfect scale compromise between size, detail, and cost.

I would put it to Mongoose to examine this scale before they commit to 1/2400. They have some great examples they could look at between the W@S minis and what Shapeways is putting out now.
 
Another reason to look at this scale is WotC is having some financial difficulties right now and the future of W@S is in some doubt. There would be a built-in customer base for 1/1800 with the W@S crowd and Mongoose would have a unique scale for their WW2 naval ships.
 
I understand the advantages of having a unique scale for minis (captive audience), but I dislike the idea as a consumer, especially for largish scales. I was able to get a ton of 1:6000 Figurehead ships because they were cheap, but now my local (only 1500 miles) source is closed and I need to go across the pond for them. 1:1800 will likely be as or more expensive than 1:2400, and impossible to bring out all once. Thus, some players have to wait for their favorite class for some time. With existing scales, particularly 1:2400, there are options.

This means that (and I'm making some assumptions on relative price and detail here) people who want inexpensive fleets first and foremost can go with Panzerschiffe, those who want intermediate price and detail can go with Mongoose, and those who want detail above all alse can buy GHQ. There is also the opportunity to have lines fill in each others holes, for a more complete experience.

As a gamer, I'm more likely to buy in a scale with some degree of market saturation, both for the reasons stated above, and because competition means a higher quality end product for me. No competition leads to stagnation. Again, look at Figurehead. There are still holes in the range, but the sculptor quit doing them, and there has been no effort to continue the line, because there is no competator that might grab sales with a larger selection.
 
1/2400 is the most common scale so good choice. 1/1800 only going to catch people who missed out on the early WAS stuff. The other issue is filling out the line will take forever same as WAS. I own a ton of WAS and at this point dont need a different scale unless I could unload 100s of minis but then I have the reason I bought WAS its painted.
 
For myself I want a scale I can actually use. I don't play allot of games because the mini's are GInormous and look really really idiotic on the table. So by "can actually use" I mean small enough that I can fit a decent fleet on a 4x8 table and play and yet large enough you can paint them without an electron microscope.

I opt for 1/2400 as the best balance. When I was younger with better eyes I would have said 1/6000.
 
I invested quite heavily in the WOTC W@S mini's, and even if continuation of the line was not in question, I had to ask myself at one set a year, do I want to be 90 before I can run all the scenarios that would be available using a more complete mini line.

So I went over to the Panzerschiffe 1/2400's. But got to tell you, it looks like there are going to be many advantages over the Panzerschiffes with these mini's. Good thing my fleets are not complete.
 
Spectrar Ghost said:
This means that (and I'm making some assumptions on relative price and detail here) people who want inexpensive fleets first and foremost can go with Panzerschiffe, those who want intermediate price and detail can go with Mongoose, and those who want detail above all alse can buy GHQ. There is also the opportunity to have lines fill in each others holes, for a more complete experience.

Not to state the obvious, but if we did not think we would be doing the most detailed models, we would not be releasing them!
 
Fair enough. I should clarify perhaps.

GHQ has seperate components for every main turret, each aircraft , and many cranes, catapults, and antennae. Unless you're investing in metal components, many of these would be prone to breakage or miscast from flow problems in resin. It allows for a degree of customization that is not available elsewhere. They also have individual models for many same-class vessels, e.g. Tone and Chikuma have their own sculpts.

Do you have an idea what we can reasonably expect to be seperate components on the Mongoose line? Also will there be multiple sculpts within a class?
 
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