M16 MGMC

[hithero]

I've just purchased one of these to give my allies some anti-air support and have just noticed that the profile say's the guns are fixed forward, surely they should have a 360' arc of fire to be of any use against a target that could come at you from any direction. After a brief internet search, there are plenty of photo's to support this as well as one site stating it had a 360' arc of fire.

Nuts, just realised that it will probably not be able to shoot at aircraft anyway as it only does 6xD6 damage and cruising aircraft have a Target of 7. So why can a quad 20 shoot down aircraft and the quad .50 not unless the pilot deliberately slows to allow it to be shot at.

 

[Hiromoon]

The wording on the Air Actions - Shoot (x):

Having deliberately slowed its movements to stabilise its attack run...

Though, it doesn't say what speed it'd have to be at, I'd suspect that Loiter might be what we're looking for...

 

[hithero]

The wording on the Air Actions - Shoot (x):

Having deliberately slowed its movements to stabilise its attack run...

Though, it doesn't say what speed it'd have to be at, I'd suspect that Loiter might be what we're looking for...

Possibly, although that then makes cruise speed pretty redundant unless you need to close a distance quickly but that would be pretty unlikely on a standard 6x4 board. But at least it gives AAMG's a chance, good idea batman My 109 (FW stats) just flew around shooting everything up with impunity last week until the Spitfire turned up...

 

[Hiromoon]

We should poke Matt till he chimes in on this though, just to be sure.

 

[wkehrman]

I noticed the FaF on the M16 last night. Given that the M45D turret had to be elevated in the M3's bed so that the Ammo canisters would not jam up against the sides when it traversed, I'd have to say the FaF is a typo. The turret could fully traverse in something like 6 seconds, though I'd have to dig that info back up.

I have to believe that Hiromoon's interpretation that plane's must reduce to Loiter to attack is correct. Otherwise the M16, a purpose-designed AAA platform used well into the 1950s, couldn't shoot down aircraft!

BTW, did I miss the stats for a FlaK 38 somewhere?. Yes I know that the Quad 2cm version is what is mounted on the Wirbelwind, however, on page 33, the gun shooting at the Typhoon in the picture is the ground mount. It had, I think, 6-8 crew, so would that be 1 SMG, one 2cm Quad AA gun, and 4 Kar98?

 

[DM]

Not only was the mount raised but the top of the hull sides would be folded down (and those folding sections had a cutout in them to aid rapid response in cases where they couldn't be dropped quickly enough). Agreed the arc of fire was 360 degrees (I've seen photos of them firing at all sorts of angles)

 

[hithero]

BTW, did I miss the stats for a FlaK 38 somewhere?. Yes I know that the Quad 2cm version is what is mounted on the Wirbelwind, however, on page 33, the gun shooting at the Typhoon in the picture is the ground mount. It had, I think, 6-8 crew, so would that be 1 SMG, one 2cm Quad AA gun, and 4 Kar98?

No stats for it, but I guessed at 80pts and 80pts for the SDKFZ7 mover, making it 25pts less than the more resiliant PZ1V vehicle, but after finding out its blinding Anti-armour/personel performance it should probably be more.

 

[wkehrman]

BTW, did I miss the stats for a FlaK 38 somewhere?. Yes I know that the Quad 2cm version is what is mounted on the Wirbelwind, however, on page 33, the gun shooting at the Typhoon in the picture is the ground mount. It had, I think, 6-8 crew, so would that be 1 SMG, one 2cm Quad AA gun, and 4 Kar98?

No stats for it, but I guessed at 80pts and 80pts for the SDKFZ7 mover, making it 25pts less than the more resiliant PZ1V vehicle, but after finding out its blinding Anti-armour/personel performance it should probably be more.

This was more a comment on the example using something that can't be fielded according to the army list in the same book.

I just found it funny.

 

[hithero]

BTW, did I miss the stats for a FlaK 38 somewhere?. Yes I know that the Quad 2cm version is what is mounted on the Wirbelwind, however, on page 33, the gun shooting at the Typhoon in the picture is the ground mount. It had, I think, 6-8 crew, so would that be 1 SMG, one 2cm Quad AA gun, and 4 Kar98?

No stats for it, but I guessed at 80pts and 80pts for the SDKFZ7 mover, making it 25pts less than the more resiliant PZ1V vehicle, but after finding out its blinding Anti-armour/personel performance it should probably be more.

This was more a comment on the example using something that can't be fielded according to the army list in the same book.

I just found it funny.

The example is incorrect anyway as the plane appears to take 3 actions (move-charge-strafe) and the quad 20 reacts fire at the wrong time which Matt has just said they can't do.

 

[Laffe]

Yeah, I'm with you here -- the example seems pretty strange alltogether. And the Bofors portee should be 360 fire as well, right?

 

[hithero]

Had another look at the rules and there is definately nothing that really states that planes can only ground attack if Loitering, and the reference to slowing down could just as easily mean that the plane is only going half speed as its only moving in one action. Don't know why its not xD6+1 the same as othe .50 cals. Any chance of an official explanation?

 

[rvrratt]

I agree, should be D6+1.

 

[hithero]

Any official response?

 

[Graywinter]

Just giving this a bump - I'd like to see the official word on this as well.

 

[hithero]

I'm now thinking that the plane should only be able to straffe if it Loiters, this is due to all the pintle MG's only rolling 3xD6, again unable to shoot down aircraft.