emperorpenguin
Mongoose
cordas said:
Yup Cordas is right Pietia, it was an outright lie in an attempt to entice Norse colonists, it wasn't a new eden
Looking at Battlefield Evolution.
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Yup Cordas is right Pietia, it was an outright lie in an attempt to entice Norse colonists, it wasn't a new eden
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
The Old Soldier said:
there is FAR more to it than the sun OS
mountains also hugely affect climate because rocks absorb CO2, there is excellent evidence that the growth of mountains like the Himalayas changes world climate. Then there is the oceans too.
But human activity pumps out extra CO2, anyone choosing to ignore that is an ostrich
As for Greenland - it seems that the Vikings had unheard of levels of body fat, because starving to death on Greenland took them three hundred years. Yes, they traded for food, but they also grew a lot of food (not enough, that's true) on Greenland, they were also able to keep domestic animals - wool and BUTTER were among their main exports. They left Greenland when the climate started to cool (it was still warmer than it is now).
EP - the amount of CO2 we produce is insignificant compared to what nature is capable of. A slight increase in sun activity results in huge increase of CO2 amount in atmosphere, as warmed up water can absorb less CO2, and releases it to atmosphere (yes, the graph the greenies are using to show is quite correct, they only swapped X and Y axis). Of course we are pumping out extra CO2 and it would be really nice if we didn't - but a single volcano explosion or a small increase in sun activity pumps out much more...
Cordas - using less oil and gas is actually quite a good idea and a very capitalist one - it lowers the costs of transport
. If we were less dependant on oil, the organizations like Al-Quaida would have less money and the leaders of western nations would not need to bow before various sheiks and such... Recycling old stuff is also important, as it reduces the localized pollution AND allows us to reduce costs... You can get many rare resources from e.g. old electronic equipment, and these resources cost less than recently mined ones , there are companies which make money from recycling not because some regulations say that you have to pay them, but because they extract and sell those resources...
EP - the amount of CO2 we produce is insignificant compared to what nature is capable of. A slight increase in sun activity results in huge increase of CO2 amount in atmosphere, as warmed up water can absorb less CO2, and releases it to atmosphere (yes, the graph the greenies are using to show is quite correct, they only swapped X and Y axis). Of course we are pumping out extra CO2 and it would be really nice if we didn't - but a single volcano explosion or a small increase in sun activity pumps out much more...
Cordas - using less oil and gas is actually quite a good idea and a very capitalist one - it lowers the costs of transport
. If we were less dependant on oil, the organizations like Al-Quaida would have less money and the leaders of western nations would not need to bow before various sheiks and such... Recycling old stuff is also important, as it reduces the localized pollution AND allows us to reduce costs... You can get many rare resources from e.g. old electronic equipment, and these resources cost less than recently mined ones , there are companies which make money from recycling not because some regulations say that you have to pay them, but because they extract and sell those resources...Yes, it can change so fast. Six hundred years ago the average temperature was higher than it is now, the temperature dropped in mere decades to "small ice age" level and then started to rise again. In 1400 we still had grapes growing in Poland. In 1658 the average temperature was low enough for six thousand cavalry and 2500 infantry to cross the Baltic straits on ice...
The recent warming correlates pretty well with the recent rise in the activity of the sun - thus the very quick increase. There is more than one climate change cycle...
The recent warming correlates pretty well with the recent rise in the activity of the sun - thus the very quick increase. There is more than one climate change cycle...
Valen is my name
Mongoose
yeah pietia is right on this one, for instance the romans grew grapes we cant anymore yet during the victorian era there was a mini-ice age - the thames froze up completly a couple of times. the earth gets hotter and then colder, and there is no evidence to show that humans are making it hotter.
that and i'm really fed up of people showing pictures of cooling towers plumeing and shouting "look at the pollution thats heating the earth" - its not smoke coming out of them its water vapour. wheres the C02 in H2O? the O is there but the carbon ain't
and its not like the cooling towers are creating the water, just cooling it down.
that and i'm really fed up of people showing pictures of cooling towers plumeing and shouting "look at the pollution thats heating the earth" - its not smoke coming out of them its water vapour. wheres the C02 in H2O? the O is there but the carbon ain't
and its not like the cooling towers are creating the water, just cooling it down.The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Real science, and historical facts never will get in the way of the "global Warming" groups. :lol:
Oh no, this is not to say I do not believe in global warming. It is now scientifically proven too. Are there Co2 emission adverts in the states? Do they advertise public transport?
Because they sure as heck are here.
Yeah, I see that with cooling towers too. There are some NPower (UK electrical company) ones nearby (Didcot) and there have been protesters because of global warming (not to be confused with the filling of Radley (village near Abingdon) 'lakes'). What you have to keep in mind is that they are burning Carbon (coal) to create the steam. This is what creates the Co2 emmissions from them. But yeah, cooling towers are pretty harmless, just take up loads of space.
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Because they sure as heck are here.
Yeah, I see that with cooling towers too. There are some NPower (UK electrical company) ones nearby (Didcot) and there have been protesters because of global warming (not to be confused with the filling of Radley (village near Abingdon) 'lakes'). What you have to keep in mind is that they are burning Carbon (coal) to create the steam. This is what creates the Co2 emmissions from them. But yeah, cooling towers are pretty harmless, just take up loads of space.
:roll:
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Valen is my name said:that and i'm really fed up of people showing pictures of cooling towers plumeing and shouting "look at the pollution thats heating the earth" - its not smoke coming out of them its water vapour. wheres the C02 in H2O? the O is there but the carbon ain't
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water vapour affects solar radiation too Valen, there is no easy answer
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
The Old Soldier said:
nor the anti-global warming groups it seems......
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
I'm amazed any topic on here stays on topic!
climate change sceptics may not agree but a major climate change would be a great catalyst for the kind of changes in BF:Evo, just the time scale is too short.
How about a massive terrorist attack ala "Jericho", "Dead of Night" or "Combat Mission: Shock Force"?
Something hurting the US, allowing China to try and take its place, the EU to be forced to band togeter and the MEA to form out of the ashes of a misddle east which suffered US retaliation
climate change sceptics may not agree but a major climate change would be a great catalyst for the kind of changes in BF:Evo, just the time scale is too short.
How about a massive terrorist attack ala "Jericho", "Dead of Night" or "Combat Mission: Shock Force"?
Something hurting the US, allowing China to try and take its place, the EU to be forced to band togeter and the MEA to form out of the ashes of a misddle east which suffered US retaliation
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
This tread is total mess up now.
If the Greens would spend even 1/2 their efforts toward real problems, like localised pollution, and clean rivers and streams, maybe something might get fixed. Until then it seems just a pipe dream of people looking for the next big crisis to worry about.
If the Greens would spend even 1/2 their efforts toward real problems, like localised pollution, and clean rivers and streams, maybe something might get fixed. Until then it seems just a pipe dream of people looking for the next big crisis to worry about.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Tries to drag topic back again....
Let's say Islamic militants carry out a nuke attack on the US, ideally an EMP hit which renders the US weak, forcing the military home to help. China takes advantage to annex Taiwan and become top dog. The EU cannot rely on US protection and is forced to band together against a resurgent Russia (itself afraid of China and eager to make up lost power).
The US strikes against "Rogue States", Islamic forces take over pakistan, they now have nukes.....
Let's say Islamic militants carry out a nuke attack on the US, ideally an EMP hit which renders the US weak, forcing the military home to help. China takes advantage to annex Taiwan and become top dog. The EU cannot rely on US protection and is forced to band together against a resurgent Russia (itself afraid of China and eager to make up lost power).
The US strikes against "Rogue States", Islamic forces take over pakistan, they now have nukes.....
Exodus-Road
Mongoose
To bring back to new players joining the game...
Exodus Road Hobbies is selling some "starter kits" for each of the factions on ebay:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZexodusroadhobbiesQQhtZ-1
Exodus Road Hobbies is selling some "starter kits" for each of the factions on ebay:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZexodusroadhobbiesQQhtZ-1
Aussie-Richard
Mongoose
(Sighs- Tries to stuff worms back into can... fails and looks around in despair at the mess he has made with one tiny comment.....) :roll:
Guess all I was trying to say was.... look outside the Middle East. Water for drinking and agriculture is being pressured by population growth and increased urbanisation. Africa and Asia are great examples.
Mind you, BF:Evo does seem ideally suited to little 'brushfire' wars and skirmishes as much as 'The Big One'.
Guess all I was trying to say was.... look outside the Middle East. Water for drinking and agriculture is being pressured by population growth and increased urbanisation. Africa and Asia are great examples.
Mind you, BF:Evo does seem ideally suited to little 'brushfire' wars and skirmishes as much as 'The Big One'.
vitalis6969
Mongoose
I'm currently writing a "history" for the present to 2015 ala Twilight 2000 style for our games here. We want to play "tail-end of the Big One" games placed in the U.S.
I'm also working on a couple of new factions as well, the U.S. Militia (basically like the MEA but with older US equipment or untrained modern equipment), two sides to the U.S. military, one following the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the other behind the new Presidency. Also there will be the Free Quebec Nation the Panama Alliance (just about anything below the Rio Grand), and of course Russia.
Brief of the timeline as it is so far:
Euros withdraw from Mid-East
US advances 20 miles into Mexico to stop the tide of illegals and terrorists from coming across the border.
World protests and the US withdraws from United Nations and boots it from US soil (I wish :roll: )
In response to dirty nuke attack Israel launches first tactical nukes in Mid-East and war across the entire region erupts.
In alliance with Iran and the MEA the Panama Alliance moves against the US, terrorist strikes in North America reach an all time new high.
Euros move back in to mid-east to pacify all combating forces including the embattled US forces.
Suicide bombers destroy US and Euro leadership in same day with dirty nukes.
That's just an example of the beginning, lets just say that the world is a much less nice place now... heh...
But because of this timeline it will give us the ability to field more vehicles than what will currently be looked at in the game and give a nice gritty feel to what we are doing. It will also make some of the high tech less prevalent because of the degradation during the opening stages of the war.
Besides, growing up in the 70's and 80's WWIII has always been close to the mind
-V
I'm also working on a couple of new factions as well, the U.S. Militia (basically like the MEA but with older US equipment or untrained modern equipment), two sides to the U.S. military, one following the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the other behind the new Presidency. Also there will be the Free Quebec Nation the Panama Alliance (just about anything below the Rio Grand), and of course Russia.
Brief of the timeline as it is so far:
Euros withdraw from Mid-East
US advances 20 miles into Mexico to stop the tide of illegals and terrorists from coming across the border.
World protests and the US withdraws from United Nations and boots it from US soil (I wish :roll: )
In response to dirty nuke attack Israel launches first tactical nukes in Mid-East and war across the entire region erupts.
In alliance with Iran and the MEA the Panama Alliance moves against the US, terrorist strikes in North America reach an all time new high.
Euros move back in to mid-east to pacify all combating forces including the embattled US forces.
Suicide bombers destroy US and Euro leadership in same day with dirty nukes.
That's just an example of the beginning, lets just say that the world is a much less nice place now... heh...
But because of this timeline it will give us the ability to field more vehicles than what will currently be looked at in the game and give a nice gritty feel to what we are doing. It will also make some of the high tech less prevalent because of the degradation during the opening stages of the war.
Besides, growing up in the 70's and 80's WWIII has always been close to the mind
-V