League Initiative
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Greg Smith
Mongoose
Well the FAQ says an allied Gaim ship doesn't have to be a queen. I assume that applies to League fleets as well.
As far as I am aware the only race with rules missing from the combined League rule is the pak'ma'ra. However that has never been officially clarified.
As far as I am aware the only race with rules missing from the combined League rule is the pak'ma'ra. However that has never been officially clarified.
Methos5000
Mongoose
Greg Smith said:
This never made any sense to me, in a pure Gaim fleet they lose their queens and it falls into disarray in a combined league they don't even have to bring a queen and they are fine. For a race that by itself seems to be a bunch of mindless drones that need a Queen how come they don't need one when they go fight in a league fleet?
Regardless the rule should be that IF a Gaim Queen ship is present in a mixed league battle the Gaim rules will apply to all other Gaim ships...why do they suddenly not care if their queen dies and are unaffected by it just because there is a Drazi warship nearby?
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
It could simply mean that the drones are incapable of making decisions on their own. As long as there is another race present to tell them what to do they will be fine. Since the other races are capable of independant thought the Gaim will default to them as would be Queens. The neg init is representitive of having no one to tell them what to do. If it is only Gaim left (with no queens) then I think the negative init is appropriate.
Clanger
Mongoose
Can see it now. If the Gaim are not near a Queen ship. The nearest highest priority ship (or with Command) takes control of them. As mindless drones following orders anyone could order them to do anything as they would have no independent thought. Be it friend or foe.
I like that idea.
I like that idea.
Methos5000
Mongoose
But if the drones are incapable of independent though why would the Gaim Hive Queen send them to be under complete control of an allied ship? Drones themselves sure they don't care about them, they can always make more, but to give a race basically free access to your technology? I don't think the Queen is that stupid.
Vree commander: Now that your under our command we need you to come to our science outpost so we can dissect and reverse engineer all your technology, oh don't worry you Queens won't mind otherwise they wouldn't have put us in charge, right?
Gaim Drone #482928137215884: (mindlessly obeys the Vree commander)
Vree commander: Now that your under our command we need you to come to our science outpost so we can dissect and reverse engineer all your technology, oh don't worry you Queens won't mind otherwise they wouldn't have put us in charge, right?
Gaim Drone #482928137215884: (mindlessly obeys the Vree commander)
mollari_uk
Mongoose
Not sure if this is all a joke or not but...it doesn't make sense. If all queens are destroyed the Gaim would be unable to fight if incapable of independant thought. They clearly are due to a simple loss of initiative and CQ instead.
Methos5000
Mongoose
Well they apparently must have command drones of some sort that can give limited tactical orders but generally they must not operate as well when the queens all die, hence the CQ/Init penalty.
Its odd though that technically by the way its written there can be Gaim Queen ships and regular Gaim ships in a mixed league fleet and when the queens all die the drones don't even miss a beat and keep on working as if nothing is wrong, but if the Gaim are by themselves they fall apart. This is where I think the problem arises it should be included in the combined league rules so if it happens the penalty occurs, I see no reason why it wouldn't.
Given they are all connected by a Hive mind I would think the loss of all your queens would be somewhat traumatic but in a combined league fleet apparently they don't care. Maybe those queens that were sent along were real jerks or something.
And I still find it odd that they don't have to use queens at all in a combined league, I know it is better for selection reasons but I just can't see the Gaim leaving one of their ships in the hands of another race.
Its odd though that technically by the way its written there can be Gaim Queen ships and regular Gaim ships in a mixed league fleet and when the queens all die the drones don't even miss a beat and keep on working as if nothing is wrong, but if the Gaim are by themselves they fall apart. This is where I think the problem arises it should be included in the combined league rules so if it happens the penalty occurs, I see no reason why it wouldn't.
Given they are all connected by a Hive mind I would think the loss of all your queens would be somewhat traumatic but in a combined league fleet apparently they don't care. Maybe those queens that were sent along were real jerks or something.
And I still find it odd that they don't have to use queens at all in a combined league, I know it is better for selection reasons but I just can't see the Gaim leaving one of their ships in the hands of another race.
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
I was mearly trying to give an explination to why a mixed fleet without queens wouldn't suffer.
There are also "erratics" that can operate independantly (but still with total loyalty to the queen) - like those seen on B5 without Queens for example. I would think many ships are crewed by these when acting as part of League fleet and less so when a Queen leads a fleet?
I should know - I am playing one in B5 RPG and great fun it is too.......
I should know - I am playing one in B5 RPG and great fun it is too.......
captainsmirk
Mongoose
I believe that the drones seen on B5 were specially bred "ambassador" drones intended for interacting with other races, which is also why they are humanoid.
Nick
Nick
