riftsinger
Mongoose
hey i just read that the klingon fleet has a(1 ?) romulan sparrowhawk in it any chance we can see some stats for this ship(s)?
oh and a happy new year to all
oh and a happy new year to all
klingon sparrowhawk
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Well in the strategic level game F&E there is a special rule that the Klingons and Roms have to exchange 3 D5 for 3 Sparrowhawks at a certain point in the game or face a major financial penalty. Apparently a group of ships got cut off from supply and home territory and were adopted (and eventually converted to local tech) by the other ally. So the ally that adopted the ships was required to compensate the ally that lost ships by sending 3 ships in exchange.
Turns out to be beneficial for the Roms: they exchange 3 x 7-factor war cruisers for 3 D5s, which become 8-factor ships. I don't see any ship cards for them in FedCom, but as I recall, the D5s replaced disruptors with 2 Plas-S, lose drones/ADD and gain a cloak. Whereas the Sparrowhawks lose their cloak and plasmas, and gain disruptors (meh).
Maybe someone can correct me? I don't have the SSD for the ship.
Turns out to be beneficial for the Roms: they exchange 3 x 7-factor war cruisers for 3 D5s, which become 8-factor ships. I don't see any ship cards for them in FedCom, but as I recall, the D5s replaced disruptors with 2 Plas-S, lose drones/ADD and gain a cloak. Whereas the Sparrowhawks lose their cloak and plasmas, and gain disruptors (meh).
Maybe someone can correct me? I don't have the SSD for the ship.
More details;
The KDR (D5) replaces its two ADD racks with two Tractors, and its two Drone Racks with two Plasma-D racks, one LS, one RS. It also loses Limited Aegis and gains a Cloak.
The RKL (Sparrowhawk A, SPA) Replaces two batteries with Security Stations, the Plasma-Fs are replaced with a single Disruptor each, one FA+L, one FA+R, the Plasma-G is replaced with two Disruptors FH, the two rear ph-3s are replaced with one Drone Rack each. It also loses the Cloak.
Why yes, the Romulans did come out way ahead. :lol:
The KDR (D5) replaces its two ADD racks with two Tractors, and its two Drone Racks with two Plasma-D racks, one LS, one RS. It also loses Limited Aegis and gains a Cloak.
The RKL (Sparrowhawk A, SPA) Replaces two batteries with Security Stations, the Plasma-Fs are replaced with a single Disruptor each, one FA+L, one FA+R, the Plasma-G is replaced with two Disruptors FH, the two rear ph-3s are replaced with one Drone Rack each. It also loses the Cloak.
Why yes, the Romulans did come out way ahead. :lol:
riftsinger
Mongoose
i was thinking more acta stats (though it shound be esay to work out from the great info already given) since i was thinking i might buy the model at sometime
riftsinger said:
How about taking the shield/hull/turn info and traits for the D5, delete the disruptors, drones, and ADD trait, add the following weapon systems:
Plasma-S 4 AD firing arc not sure, but probably Fore + Star
Plasma-S 4 AD, probably Fore + Port
Plasma-D 1 AD, RS
Plasma-D 1 AD, LS
Add 2 tractor, and the Cloak trait. That ought to get you close for the KDR (D5)
Sparrowhawk converted to Klingon tech:
delete all plasma, cloak trait, 2 rear phaser-3.
Add: 2 Disruptor-24 2 AD, Fore Half
1 Disruptor-24 1 AD, Fore + Port
1 Disruptor-24 1 AD, Fore + Star
Drone T 1 AD
Drone T 1 AD
Does that work for you?
riftsinger
Mongoose
thats basicly what i had in mind had'nt sat down to work it out looks like i wont need to now ,mind you i think the points wound change for this 2 ships kd5 up sparrowhawk down ?
looks like i wont need to now ,mind you i think the points wound change for this 2 ships kd5 up sparrowhawk down ?billclo said:riftsinger said:
How about taking the shield/hull/turn info and traits for the D5, delete the disruptors, drones, and ADD trait, add the following weapon systems:
Plasma-S 4 AD firing arc not sure, but probably Fore + Star
Plasma-S 4 AD, probably Fore + Port
Plasma-D 1 AD, RS
Plasma-D 1 AD, LS
Add 2 tractor, and the Cloak trait. That ought to get you close for the KDR (D5)
Sparrowhawk converted to Klingon tech:
delete all plasma, cloak trait, 2 rear phaser-3.
Add: 2 Disruptor-24 2 AD, Fore Half
1 Disruptor-24 1 AD, Fore + Port
1 Disruptor-24 1 AD, Fore + Star
Drone T 1 AD
Drone T 1 AD
Does that work for you?
I haven't even considered point costs, personally. Hmm...
In an comparison between a Klingon D6 and Rom KR, the KR swaps 4 Disruptors, 2 drones and ADD 1 for a cloak and 2 Plasma-S. Cost goes up from 150 to 165. As I recall, the addition of a cloak raises the cost of the ship about 15%. So based on a 150pt hull, that brings the points up to 172.5 pts. So, there is some sort of points loss for losing the additional systems, else the cost would not be 165.
On the other hand, a D7C goes for 205 pts, vs 230 for the Rom KRC (which adds 2 Plasma-F and 2 Plasma-D, 2 tractors + a cloak and loses 4 disruptors, 2 drones, and ADD 2). 205 x 15% would normally increase the cost to 235.75. Again there is some sort of points cost loss for swapping out the weapons.
So if I had to guess, value the KDR at 10-15% over the cost of the original hull, and you'll be in the ballpark.
Sparrowhawk, I would guess call it 10-15% less than the original Rom hull cost.
I am not a playtester and have no official capacity so I can't say for sure about point costs. But those numbers ought to get you fairly close.
In an comparison between a Klingon D6 and Rom KR, the KR swaps 4 Disruptors, 2 drones and ADD 1 for a cloak and 2 Plasma-S. Cost goes up from 150 to 165. As I recall, the addition of a cloak raises the cost of the ship about 15%. So based on a 150pt hull, that brings the points up to 172.5 pts. So, there is some sort of points loss for losing the additional systems, else the cost would not be 165.
On the other hand, a D7C goes for 205 pts, vs 230 for the Rom KRC (which adds 2 Plasma-F and 2 Plasma-D, 2 tractors + a cloak and loses 4 disruptors, 2 drones, and ADD 2). 205 x 15% would normally increase the cost to 235.75. Again there is some sort of points cost loss for swapping out the weapons.
So if I had to guess, value the KDR at 10-15% over the cost of the original hull, and you'll be in the ballpark.
Sparrowhawk, I would guess call it 10-15% less than the original Rom hull cost.
I am not a playtester and have no official capacity so I can't say for sure about point costs. But those numbers ought to get you fairly close.
In SFB, the base cost of the RKL (the SparrowHawk conversion, published in Module R3) is 110. Since the refits wouldn't be a factor in FC (where there is no place for a UIM, nor for a drone rack upgrade), any would-be Ship Card for the RKL would likely remain at 110 in Squadron Scale, which would make it 8 points cheaper than the Squadron Scale D5 Ship Card.
So, since the post-errata D5 is 175 points in ACtA:SF, perhaps you'd be looking at 155 to 160 points, or somewhere thereabouts, for the RKL here?
So, since the post-errata D5 is 175 points in ACtA:SF, perhaps you'd be looking at 155 to 160 points, or somewhere thereabouts, for the RKL here?
riftsinger
Mongoose
seem point wise 10-15 % wound be around about right . thanks for all the great posts .
