Jump point bomb fixes
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Iain McGhee
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I believe Sheridan said that it had been only tried in simulation and the ship attempting it could never escape the blast itself. Of course, White Stars are far faster than any 3rd Age EA ship.
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
They look so alike 
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
and I don't believe it was simulation but was attempted during the Minbari war
It was still done in Babylon 5 as many times as a JPB was, and with more ships being as nippy as a White Star being released, it starts becomming a viable option for some fleets and even as a good suicide tactic for ships that are nearly dead that aren't fast enough to outrun the blast.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
thePirv said:
wrong it was done TWICE so more often! :lol:
it was described as something of a war crime though
thePirv said:
And which would require blowing up expensive jump gate. Or sacrifice of 2 vessels. And enemy ships would notice them attempting and so would just blow the ships and with that jump point generators.
Not viable tactic for every day use. Only reason why it worked now was that a) it was unexpected b) shadow ship didn't have time to realise what was happening as it just came into real space as it went "boom".
In game terms there's no chases from hyperspace to real space which is only case where it can realisticly work(assuming you have suitable jump gate available) so that's for specific scenario.
Rules being: "Deploy ships, jump gate explosion, everything destroyed if it's not white star on all ahead full".
Done
tneva82 said:thePirv said:
And which would require blowing up expensive jump gate. Or sacrifice of 2 vessels. And enemy ships would notice them attempting and so would just blow the ships and with that jump point generators.
Not viable tactic for every day use. Only reason why it worked now was that a) it was unexpected b) shadow ship didn't have time to realise what was happening as it just came into real space as it went "boom".
In game terms there's no chases from hyperspace to real space which is only case where it can realisticly work(assuming you have suitable jump gate available) so that's for specific scenario.
Rules being: "Deploy ships, jump gate explosion, everything destroyed if it's not white star on all ahead full".
Done
Most of the argument you've just made has been made against the JPB, but I remember you defending it, so why this sudden change of opinion? And does this mean that you're now against the JPB?
Also, there doesn't need to be a chase from Hyperspace to Realspace. The violent destruction of a Jump Gate and the potential devastation to a fleet is what would make this tactic useful, particularly in campaign games.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
emperorpenguin said:
No it was done once. If your refering the Centauri blowing up a jump gate later on that wasnt a bonehead maneuver that was just using nukes to destroy the jump gate.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Locutus9956 said:
nukes? where do you get nukes from? :? it was using its jump engines to do a bonehead
Locutus9956
Mongoose
where do you get the jump engines thing from? They implied it was loaded with explosives. Its a freighter which probably doesnt even HAVE its own jump drive.
thePirv said:
JPB doesn't require such specific requirements(like expendable jump gates(none are by default expendable. Those are EXPENSIVE) and enemy unaware of what you are attempting to do) as Bonehead manouver does.
You try it while on board and you think enemy scanners won't pick what you are trying to do? And you think that won't...Oh I don't know...Cause whole fleet blast the ship(and the neccessary jump point generator inside it) to pieces?
Locutus9956 said:
a) it seemed to be vorchan. Heck they refered to it as centauri WAR CRUISER and specifically mentioned weapons are off. I didn't know Centauri's were advanced enough that their freighters can be called war cruisers :lol:
b) B5 characters mentioned jump engines going toward critical.
But then again it wasn't attempting bonehead. It was trying to come from the gate and with own jump engines going critical go BOOM! inside the gate which would destroy the gate in process.
Reactor overload
No bonehead manouver. Simply self-destructing middle of that expensive(and probably relatively fraqile) gate.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Ah yes I remeber now I knew it wasnt a bonehead and they were just going to blow the gate up but I couldnt exactly remember the details. 
tneva82 said:
You can't say this for definite (with the exception of the Jump Gate being a requirement obviously). The only time a JPB is seen in the show, the EA are entirely unaware of it until it starts to happen. They are stuck in an asteroid field so the cannot manouver away, which implies that the JPB is just as restricted in execution as the Bonehead.
Again, the same arguments have been made about the JPB that a jump point forming is detectable so ships should have the chance to move out of the way before being hit by the JPB.
Even the fact that the "Bonehead" has a name directly referenced in the show should count for something (whereas the JPB was never directly named iirc, though I could be wrong on that)
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Locutus9956 said:
it was a VORCHAN! where do you get freighter from?
