Is there an official erratum page for Mongoose Traveller?

[snrdg121408]

Hello everyone,

Is there an official or consolidated erratum page for Mongoose Traveller?

While stepping through the design sequence I noticed that the cost of the air/rafts assigned to the 100-dton ship on page 115 did not match the listed cost/price in the tables found on pages 103 and 111. Further review of the common spacecraft found that the air/raft cost/price on pages 126 and 127 also did not match the two tables.

The tables list the cos/price as Cr275,000 (page 103) and MCr0.275 (page 111) while the 4 common spacecraft list the cost/price as 600,000.

Where did the cost/price of Cr600,000 come from?

I searched the forum and came up empty. I've also checked the main web site and did not see anything that I recognized as a Traveller errata page. Of course I may not have input the right criteria for my search :wink:

snrdg121408

 

[rust]

You find the errata among the downloads at the bottom of this page,
they are named "Player's Guide":
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=51

However, the air/ raft price is not a mistake. An air/ raft alone is com-
paratively cheap, but with the gear needed to transport it on board of
a ship it becomes considerably more expensive.

Well, at least this was the explanation I was given several times. In my
setting I use only one price, the lower one.

 

[snrdg121408]

Hello rust,

Thank you for the reply and Player's Guide link.

Why would the hanlding gear for a 4-dton craft double the cost and not have the same effect on the cost of a 20-dton launch or any other carried vehicle or small craft.?

If the price for the Air/Raft is correct then the price for every other carried vehicle is off by a factor of two. The cost of the launch carried by the common spacecraft on pages 119, 123, and 131 should be 28,000,000 not 14,000,000. The spacecraft on page 126 carries a ship's boat a the same price as shown on the Vehicles and Drones table on page 111 not 32,000,000.

CT LBB2 only requires hull space at no additional costs for handling gear.

CT Book 5 HG:
Vehicles, which includes the Air/Raft, requires only hull space at no additional cost.

Spacecraft 1,000 tons and under carrying small craft only requires hull space.

Spacecraft over 1,000 tons carrying small craft and big craft, system ships or starships, have both additional space and cost requirements.

The cost for both small craft and big craft is Cr2,000/ton.

A small craft requires 130% of storage space. While a big craft requires 110%.

I've ordered a copy of Mongoose High Guard a couple of days ago so I'll have to wait to see how subordinate craft storage is handled.

Hopefully the PTB will review this thread and make some sort of correction, which in my opinion, is to just have the Air/Raft cost be down sized to the cost to Cr275,000.

You find the errata among the downloads at the bottom of this page,
they are named "Player's Guide":
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=51

However, the air/ raft price is not a mistake. An air/ raft alone is com-
paratively cheap, but with the gear needed to transport it on board of
a ship it becomes considerably more expensive.

Well, at least this was the explanation I was given several times. In my
setting I use only one price, the lower one.

Again thanks for the reply and link,

 

[rust]

Hopefully the PTB will review this thread and make some sort of correction, which in my opinion, is to just have the Air/Raft cost be down sized to the cost to Cr275,000.

I fully agree with you. In fact, I suspect that the Cr 600,000 are just an
oversight of a remnant of earlier versions of Traveller, where the price
of the air/raft indeed was Cr 600,000 and somewhat out of relation with
the costs of other vehicles.

 

[AndrewW]

The cost for both small craft and big craft is Cr2,000/ton.

A small craft requires 130% of storage space. While a big craft requires 110%.

I've ordered a copy of Mongoose High Guard a couple of days ago so I'll have to wait to see how subordinate craft storage is handled.

High Guard offers the standard hanger which is 130% and MCr 0.2 / ton. And a storage hanger which is 110% and MCr 0.2 / ton.

 

[EDG]

It's simple to correct - 600k is for a luxury Air-Raft, 275k is for a normal one without the trimmings. Though I for one really cannot believe that everything is going to have exactly the same price across of Charted Space (or whatever setting you use) either.

 

[rust]

Though I for one really cannot believe that everything is
going to have exactly the same price across of Charted Space (or what-
ever setting you use) either.

Yep, in my setting I treat the Cr 275,000 as the base price of a grav skim-
mer (air/raft looks and sounds strange to me) and use modifiers similar
to the ones from the trade chapter of the core rules to create a little more
diversity and to give the characters an opportunity to make some decisi-
ons when buying a vehicle.

 

[TrippyHippy]

While we are at it:

It would be nice to see the Space Science actually include something like Astronomy or Astro-Physics as a speciality, and push both Robotics and Xenology out to Physical Science and Life Science respectively.

Hey, just my beef....

 

[snrdg121408]

Thank you for reminding me of that little tidbit, I had forgotten about the CT LBB2 cost of Cr600,000. I've always thought that the Cr600,000 was for the CT-TL8 version.

Hopefully the PTB will review this thread and make some sort of correction, which in my opinion, is to just have the Air/Raft cost be down sized to the cost to Cr275,000.

I fully agree with you. In fact, I suspect that the Cr 600,000 are just an
oversight of a remnant of earlier versions of Traveller, where the price
of the air/raft indeed was Cr 600,000 and somewhat out of relation with
the costs of other vehicles.

 

[snrdg121408]

That must be one tricked out Air/Raft. The enclosed or pressurized Air/Raft TL8 in T20 has a cost of Cr372,720 and the standard also TL8 is Cr273,200. In GT an open topped Air/Raft GT-TL 12 costs Cr51,960.

I agree that nothing will cost the same throughout Charted Space, but I'm too lazy to add more steps and calculations to the design process. For some reason my calculator and/or pencil and paper numbers sometimes don't match . I think I'll blame the errors on web gremlins :wink:

It's simple to correct - 600k is for a luxury Air-Raft, 275k is for a normal one without the trimmings. Though I for one really cannot believe that everything is going to have exactly the same price across of Charted Space (or whatever setting you use) either.

 

[snrdg121408]

Mongoose HG appears to be very close to CT Bk5 HG, except that the cost is 100 times that of CT. Thanks for the information which now makes me wish I'd paid to have express shipping instead of letting the USPS route the books. I also order Mercenary.

The cost for both small craft and big craft is Cr2,000/ton.

A small craft requires 130% of storage space. While a big craft requires 110%.

I've ordered a copy of Mongoose High Guard a couple of days ago so I'll have to wait to see how subordinate craft storage is handled.

High Guard offers the standard hanger which is 130% and MCr 0.2 / ton. And a storage hanger which is 110% and MCr 0.2 / ton.

 

[snrdg121408]

Air/Raft was what was typed in the first 3 LBBs I purchased in a zip-lock bag at my favorite game store. Of course I can't remember if the store was close to Pearl Harbor or in San Diego. In one of the Gaming magazines I bought the drawing of an Air/Raft reminded me of one of the rafts seen in some of the movies used by airplanes that ditched in the water. Okay, my age is showing :lol:

Though I for one really cannot believe that everything is
going to have exactly the same price across of Charted Space (or what-
ever setting you use) either.

Yep, in my setting I treat the Cr 275,000 as the base price of a grav skim-
mer (air/raft looks and sounds strange to me) and use modifiers similar
to the ones from the trade chapter of the core rules to create a little more
diversity and to give the characters an opportunity to make some decisi-
ons when buying a vehicle.

 

[snrdg121408]

Howdy TrippyHippy,

I'm more of a gear-head, so skills for characters is not one of my strengths. Of course maybe if I had not had to start over so many times I'd be better versed in skills. My characters always seemed to be the ones that got volunteered to try to defuse the bomb, shutdown a run away reactor, or try to hold off the opposition while the rest of the party fell back and got away. :lol:

While we are at it:

It would be nice to see the Space Science actually include something like Astronomy or Astro-Physics as a speciality, and push both Robotics and Xenology out to Physical Science and Life Science respectively.

Hey, just my beef....

 

[saundby]

Air/Raft was what was typed in the first 3 LBBs I purchased in a zip-lock bag at my favorite game store.

The store stole your box!

My first printing came in one. I think Traveller was the first space game I bought that wasn't in a ziplock bag.* :lol:

Or maybe I just got the kCr600 version...

*edit: Just remembered--I got Triplanetary in a brown cardboard mailing-tube style box the year before. So Trav was the first one I got in a nice display box, anyway. Color print and all!

 

[snrdg121408]

Morning saundby,

I just recalled that my favorite game store was GameTown located in Old Town in San Diego, CA. From the original set that came in the zip lock bag I only have Book 2 Starships and Book 5 High Guard left. Here is the printing information from the page opposite of the Table of Contents.

Traveller, Volume 2 Copyright 1977 7th printing

High Guard Traveller, Volume 5 Copyright 1979 2nd printing which has a 10-dton bay along with the 50 and 100-dton bays.

My collection also has 2 other HG LBB edition which are
High Guard Traveller Book 5 Copyright 1980 1st and 15th printings.

What happened to the other original books I don't have a clue.

I don't think Game Town stole the box, but maybe a surface Navy sailor stole the box. Submarine sailors never could trust the surface types.

Air/Raft was what was typed in the first 3 LBBs I purchased in a zip-lock bag at my favorite game store.

The store stole your box!

My first printing came in one. I think Traveller was the first space game I bought that wasn't in a ziplock bag.* :lol:

Or maybe I just got the kCr600 version...

*edit: Just remembered--I got Triplanetary in a brown cardboard mailing-tube style box the year before. So Trav was the first one I got in a nice display box, anyway. Color print and all!