Is the Shadow Hunter canon?

[Celisasu]

If you don't see Crusade be glad. You've saved yourself from seeing when B5 didn't only jump the shark(it did that back when Byron showed up in Season 5) but followed it up with a 20 car pile up alongside a train flying off the tracks as a 747 slammed into the ground. Just before the extinction level astroid slammed into the whole mess and ended all life on Earth.

 

[night owl]

but he has such lovely hair

Introducing him must have seemed like a good idea at a time.

 

[Alexb83]

Euch, Season 5 of B5... a few episodes worthy of note, but overall after Season 4 I could take it or leave it.

Preferrably leave it... over there, behind S:T Voyager, which was equally euch, throughout its run.

 

[Locutus9956]

DONT SAY THE 'V' WORD!!!!!

 

[Mark_D]

Book 2 or 3 of the Techno-Mage Trilogy series also goes into some detail of the incident. It ends when Galens ship destroys the Hybrid, because the human operative has failed to fully assimilate with the shadow tech. Unfilmed developments in the Crusade series clearly indicate that Earth Force managed to get the Tech under control, and there are more hybrid ships out there.

 

[Shadow Queen]

Byron (the guy who played him) Was in the movie "In the Beginning" playing a Minbari, and i have 3 Shadow Hunters in my Shadow fleet.

Crusade was funny I loved it

 

[MustEatBrains]

UI loved Peter Woodward as Galen - Crusade in general was NOT B5, but it was never meant to. Apart from some underwhelming episodes, I quite liked it.

Especially after reading/hearing what JMS had planned for the end of season 1 and the coming seasons; the storyline would have become pretty cool (with the Excalibur finding a Cure for the plague, but then having to go up against an EA which has played a little too much with shadow tech).

In the "Lost "Tales", the Shadow Hunter was revealed to consist of organic Shadow-Shiop like material, but built on a regular, earthern, metal frame.

Oh, and they had a shadowtech-version of Starfuries! After reading the description, I like to call them "Shadowfuries", but that´s just me...

Anyway, for all those who haven´t seen (or didn´t want to see) Crusade: Think about getting the Crusade sourcebook from the B5 RPG; there´s not only a complete episode guide, but also a summary of the unfilmed episodes (which included an outcast Bester and mentioned a Psi-Corps battle fleet) - it´s definitely worth reading!

 

[captainsmirk]

Euch, Season 5 of B5... a few episodes worthy of note, but overall after Season 4 I could take it or leave it.

The problem they had was that they were fairly sure they were going to be cancelled after the fourth season so they packed the Earth Civil war stuff which was to have been in the fifth season into the fourth (The final episode Sleeping in Light was filmed at the end of Season 4, hence Ivanova being in it...).

However they ended up not being cancelled and basically had to pull a fifth season out of their hats with no major plot to actually fill it...

Nick

 

[Locutus9956]

Rather like what happened to Stargate.

The series was supposed to finish at the end of season 7 and the story continue on with atlantis, which it did quite nicely I think. BUT they then renewed the contract for SG-1 and so they had to make another 3 seasons. Now season 8 wasnt too bad as they just dragged on the story from a little longer but season 9 and 10 theyre kind of grasping at straws with the whole Ori thing. I do actually still enjoy the show but its not a patch on what it used to be (or for that matter Atlantis).

Sad though it is, TV studios often end up ruining what could be really good shows thanks to stupidity and budgeting etc. And then cancel the shows when everyone gets annoyed with this...

(Happened again with Enterprise, where they ruined it all with the whole Xindi thing, then just as it was getting good again (I really enjoyed the thrid season, it was proper Star Trek again ) it got canned as it had already lost most of the Trekkies after season 2

 

[frobisher]

Actually, it's a Shadow vessel that was built by the Earth Alliance...so it's not really a "hybrid" (like the Omega-E) rather it's a license produced copy.

It's most definately a hybrid - it's refered to as "The Hybrid" in it's third script appearence, and unlike normal Shadow Vessels it has a metallic endoskeleton betraying its origins (very specific note in the script there as the Excalibur blows chunks off of it...).

The ship should be a match for a Victory Class destroyer though going by the two unfilmed scripts.

 

[frobisher]

(Happened again with Enterprise, where they ruined it all with the whole Xindi thing, then just as it was getting good again (I really enjoyed the thrid season, it was proper Star Trek again ) it got canned as it had already lost most of the Trekkies after season 2

It actually did 4 seasons, the Xindi arc was season 3 and yes, season 2 was the weakest overall Seasons 4 then 1 were the best ones, though the end of season cliffhanger at the end of 3 was absolutely bogging...

 

[Greg Smith]

Season 4 was great with some really good Trekkish episodes. Season one was good, showing the beginnings of deep space exploaration (despite the continuity glitches).

Season 3 was just an 'aliens are poeople too' story across a whole season. While Trek can do those well (I, Borg), it just didn't work well as a huge arc.

 

[night owl]

season 9 and 10 theyre kind of grasping at straws with the whole Ori thing. I do actually still enjoy the show but its not a patch on what it used to be (or for that matter Atlantis).

I still like Sg-1 mainly because the characters are still good but the Ori are just a boring enemy imo. They manage to be uninteresting to me even while rampaging around and destroying everything and generally being the big bad enemy. I am not sure what it is about the Ori but they inspire little 'give a damn' in me even after the very long build-up.

 

[Harmony]

It's most definately a hybrid - it's refered to as "The Hybrid" in it's third script appearence, and unlike normal Shadow Vessels it has a metallic endoskeleton betraying its origins (very specific note in the script there as the Excalibur blows chunks off of it...).

The ship should be a match for a Victory Class destroyer though going by the two unfilmed scripts.

Ah...but remember when Max shows Capt. Gideon the footage of the Hunter and a traditional Shadow "spider" together, and the script heavily implies (if it outright doesn't say so) that it's a Shadow vessel that someone has built a copy of. The hull composition means relatively little...the Hunter may be a Shadow vessel that can easily be built (much like the Omega-E) compared to the traditional "spider" or scout. And it could be a "hybrid" in that the design is adapted to human crews, rather than a single pilot; this is implied with the unique black fighters that it launches, and the silver dollar coin that floats past the camera (I doubt a single symbiotic pilot would care for coinage).

There very well could be a couple of variants; the more traditional Shadow version with a single pilot, and a human built copy that has a traditional crew with a traditional air wing; and we know that the Omega-E corrupted...twisted its crew mentally to serve its own agenda, so there is a precedent for whole crews going "insane".

Yeah, it's pretty much a direct opposite of the Vorlon/Minbari based Victory; its silhouette even resembles the Victory, albeit twisted and distorted with the traditional Shadow spindles, and its slender bow cut off.

 

[animus]

Hate to resurrect this old thread, but this is where it all started.

I built my Shadow hunter and kept the legs as is (not splaying them). However, I found that the lower set of legs fit specifically into the the upper set of legs at a cross-thatch, so to speak. So instead of parallel to the upper legs they're at an angle. I'm not sure if this is right, but I like it.

Anyone else know what I'm talking about or have some comments?

 

[Locutus9956]

they go parallel.

And to answer some of the other ones:

Enterprise season 2 must have just sort of blurred into season 1 for me Still the Xinidi series was the worst imo. Season 4 I really liked as they actually did Star Trek stuff again and actually started to look at some stuff that explained stuff we see later on (like why the TOS Klingons looked like Ming the Merciless )

SG-1 and the Ori.... well... I DO still enjoy SG-1 but its gone massively downhill for a few reasons:

a) Col. O'Niell >>>>>>>>>> Col. Mitchell (not that Mitchell is THAT bad its just that Jack O'Niel MADE the show and it's just not the same without him )

b) The Ori are frankly a little uninspiring, sure theyre evil and uber tech and all that but the plot is just getting silly at times, if theyre THAT advanced then they have gone too far past 'difficult odds' to 'impossible, no chance of survival at all' (and also the notion that the ancients would STILL not intervene when the Ori were directly coming to wipe them out is just a little too far fetched for me...)

c) Stargates story past season 7 was supposed to carry on in Atlantis as originally written and it has (and I must say I actually really LIKE Atlantis (though its not as good as SG-1 in it's prime). However. They then renewed the contract for SG-1 too so the writers had to come up with more stuff that they haden't planned and that ALSO didn't interfere with what they'd written for Atlantis. Im sure this is hardly a surprise that this didnt quite work out fully....

 

[animus]

they go parallel.

Ya, I saw Shadow Queen's fleet and snapped mine apart and fixed it.

 

[Twin-Linked Aldades]

a) Col. O'Niell >>>>>>>>>> Col. Mitchell (not that Mitchell is THAT bad its just that Jack O'Niel MADE the show and it's just not the same without him )

Agreed, Kurt Russell really rocked :twisted:

 

[Locutus9956]

Not gonna get into THAT argument

I loved the original movie and Kurt Russel was great in it.

But trying to compare the two doesnt really work as they're very different characters (in fact trying to link the movie to the series doesnt work that well anyway beyond the names of the two main characters and the big spinning ring that makes wormholes ).

I love both but I'm not gonna get drawn into which is better as they're both really quite different things

 

[Wulf Corbett]

But trying to compare the two doesnt really work as they're very different characters (in fact trying to link the movie to the series doesnt work that well anyway beyond the names of the two main characters and the big spinning ring that makes wormholes ).

The real fun was watching Ben Browder & Claudia Black discussing Wormhole technology in Season 9. Not a flicker of recognition between them... :wink:

Wulf