Is the G'Vrahn a G'Quan model?
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and the t'rakk 
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I believe they were 2 different ships on the same hull design.
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I believe they were 2 different ships on the same hull design.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
My problem with alot of the Armageddon ships is that there seem to be only 2 categories:
Those that are unbelievably ugly, or undetailed
Those that whilst fairly decent looking are basically just existing ships that have been squashed/stretched a bit and had some bits stuck on them.
The new Narn and EA ships definitely come into the latter category.
Pretty much ALL the other ships come under the first one.
The only 3 excpetions I would say are: The Neroon is ok, it looks Minbari in style but still not just a 'sharlin with extra shiny bits', same more or less applies to the Adira (though not massive fan of either). The third exception is the only ship I actually really like: The Marathon, it looks different enough from the Warlock to actually be considered a decent design just with late era style, and its still a good looking miniature.
Those that are unbelievably ugly, or undetailed
Those that whilst fairly decent looking are basically just existing ships that have been squashed/stretched a bit and had some bits stuck on them.
The new Narn and EA ships definitely come into the latter category.
Pretty much ALL the other ships come under the first one.
The only 3 excpetions I would say are: The Neroon is ok, it looks Minbari in style but still not just a 'sharlin with extra shiny bits', same more or less applies to the Adira (though not massive fan of either). The third exception is the only ship I actually really like: The Marathon, it looks different enough from the Warlock to actually be considered a decent design just with late era style, and its still a good looking miniature.
Hiffno,
If you look at the Vorlon, Minbari and shadows for example there are others in the ranges that show a clear thinking design philosophy in the construction of ships. I just think pointy bits is not a design philosophy makes. Each Narn ship looks to be an individual as though each ship is designed from no previous knowledge or experience. For a World with limited resources and budget I would not expect to have my (if I was Narn) designers to re invent the wheel each time the navy wants another ship for a different role. eg. you start out with a Heavy Cruiser (G' Quan which is cannon) and you want a destroyer do you not think well we can modify certain aspects of the design and use what we all ready know. Real world example US Navy ships have a distinct look as do Russian and British Ships each is different but there are overriding design philosophies at work. I don't get this feeling with the Narn as much as do with the examples I gave such as the Vorlons or Minbari. But with the G' Vrahn and the Ka' Bin tok I begin to think that there is hope in the thinking process of the designs. They may need work but at least Mongoose are not re-inventing the wheel.
If you look at the Vorlon, Minbari and shadows for example there are others in the ranges that show a clear thinking design philosophy in the construction of ships. I just think pointy bits is not a design philosophy makes. Each Narn ship looks to be an individual as though each ship is designed from no previous knowledge or experience. For a World with limited resources and budget I would not expect to have my (if I was Narn) designers to re invent the wheel each time the navy wants another ship for a different role. eg. you start out with a Heavy Cruiser (G' Quan which is cannon) and you want a destroyer do you not think well we can modify certain aspects of the design and use what we all ready know. Real world example US Navy ships have a distinct look as do Russian and British Ships each is different but there are overriding design philosophies at work. I don't get this feeling with the Narn as much as do with the examples I gave such as the Vorlons or Minbari. But with the G' Vrahn and the Ka' Bin tok I begin to think that there is hope in the thinking process of the designs. They may need work but at least Mongoose are not re-inventing the wheel.
This is very true - and believe me when I say that the defence establishment as a whole (not those of us in R&D) is very stuck in its ways. The Naval establishment takes this to great heights.
Trying to get anything atypical, like trimaran warships for instance, is as good as an exercise in futility. Admirals like sleek monohulls, and it will take years pr something drastic before they change their minds.
In space I think you can abandon the earthly conventions for ship design - form will follow function with only very minor constraints. I daresay in space a spherical ship would be the perfect design - great structural strength is inherent to its design. Its orientation in three dimensions is unimportant.
What is good about the model range is that the fleets are (aside from the odd spuds) pretty good when viewed together. The minbari all look like minbari (let's ignore the Troligan). The EA look pretty much all like EA ought to. And so on...
Trying to get anything atypical, like trimaran warships for instance, is as good as an exercise in futility. Admirals like sleek monohulls, and it will take years pr something drastic before they change their minds.
In space I think you can abandon the earthly conventions for ship design - form will follow function with only very minor constraints. I daresay in space a spherical ship would be the perfect design - great structural strength is inherent to its design. Its orientation in three dimensions is unimportant.
What is good about the model range is that the fleets are (aside from the odd spuds) pretty good when viewed together. The minbari all look like minbari (let's ignore the Troligan). The EA look pretty much all like EA ought to. And so on...
angelus2000
Mongoose
IMO, the only real oddities for narn is the T'loth. Kinda glad the T'rak may make an appearance, gives me something to do with the one I never put together. I somewhat dislike the G'Vrahn as a model though the Ka'Bin'Tak will look great, one I saw off some of the spikeier bits. I may even actually use the Ka'Bin'Tak( even though i want my 2nd e-mine launcher back)
captainsmirk
Mongoose
But the T'Loth is the first Narn ship we see in the show!
Anyway perhaps it like aircraft designers, particular design bureaus produce their own distinctive design philosophies. And there is a vague similarity in layout between the T'Loth and the Rongoth...
Nick
Anyway perhaps it like aircraft designers, particular design bureaus produce their own distinctive design philosophies. And there is a vague similarity in layout between the T'Loth and the Rongoth...
Nick
The Brakiri ships all look like they were designed by seperate contractors... which they were.
Earth ships all look different (Omega/Nova v. Hyperion vs. Worlock etc.) because the progression of ship design as well as using materials available and hiring the people for the best cost requires that ships do not look cohesive.
Even the Centauri have ships that don't fit in (Kuati and Morgath for example) because they were taken by alien designs.
Since the Narns had very few ship yards in the beginning or a stable infrastructure in which to deign and build, it is entirely possible they took the same route in designing and building their early ships.
Just my 2 cents...
Earth ships all look different (Omega/Nova v. Hyperion vs. Worlock etc.) because the progression of ship design as well as using materials available and hiring the people for the best cost requires that ships do not look cohesive.
Even the Centauri have ships that don't fit in (Kuati and Morgath for example) because they were taken by alien designs.
Since the Narns had very few ship yards in the beginning or a stable infrastructure in which to deign and build, it is entirely possible they took the same route in designing and building their early ships.
Just my 2 cents...
Plus dont forget that they started out with Centauri designs.
And then they sudued a few races from the Centauri.
And then they kinda designed their own ships along the way as well.
So there are lots of different races possibly involved within the Narn ships. More than the EA ones, and they look just as different as well.
And then they sudued a few races from the Centauri.
And then they kinda designed their own ships along the way as well.
So there are lots of different races possibly involved within the Narn ships. More than the EA ones, and they look just as different as well.
angelus2000
Mongoose
Lol, and unless I'm wrong thas the only time a T'loth is seen during the entire series. Theres probably a story somewhere about why it was never shown again for the remainder of the series
You are right it is shown only once during the whole series.
The Olympus graces us as often i think. (Only during 'in the beginning'?) Hyperions during the best season ever (Well who doesnt love to see bab5 fight for its life against evil Clarke loyalists) Hyperions show up, but never get shot down. at least you never see them again ^^.
The Olympus graces us as often i think. (Only during 'in the beginning'?) Hyperions during the best season ever (Well who doesnt love to see bab5 fight for its life against evil Clarke loyalists) Hyperions show up, but never get shot down. at least you never see them again ^^.
angelus2000 said:
Thats probably because the G'Quan was a replacement for the ageing T'Loth design, and obviously over time more G'Quans are built, and become the main warship of the regime. in a storyline sense, in reality, they probably had the t'loth as the mainline narn ship, then some young hotshot designed the G'Quan and said hey JMS look at this cool design with red and black Camo. . . and the rest as they say, is history
Greg Smith
Mongoose
Voronesh said:
You do see an Olympus during the B5 decomissioning ceremony in 'Sleeping in the Light'.
captainsmirk
Mongoose
Well the T'Loth is an assault cruiser designed to attack planets, which is exactly what its doing in its one appearence...
Nick
Nick
Greg Smith
Mongoose
There were spitfires and a B52 there too. Whaddya mean they can't fly in space? :lol:
I agree, the ships there were all at least 25 years old. It was probably ceremonial.
I agree, the ships there were all at least 25 years old. It was probably ceremonial.
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