I like this Map

[Supplement Four]

Check out this map: http://www.angelfire.com/games2/warpspawn/KOH.html

I think this is an awesome map of the Hyborian Age. But, I wonder about the controversy that goes with all Hyborian maps. What do yo think?

Think this one is just as accurate as a Hyborian map can be?

Look at Zamora and the way the Kezankians move along the southeastern edge of Khauran. On most maps, the mountains aren't as pronounced as they are on this map...but that's what I like about it. It really shows how mountainous much of the Hyborian landscape is.

Your thoughts?[/url]

 

[VincentDarlage]

That is the map produced for the first printing of Mongoose's Conan RPG and it is grossly inaccurate.

Note that Xuthal is in a forested region, and there is no southern desert or Tombalku.

Stygia is "greensward." Why aren't the haunted pyramids in Stygia?

Khauran is surrounded by mountains (I know you like this non-canonical feature, but Howard's description is pretty complete in "A Witch Shall Be Born," and does not include mountains).

Nemedia is too small.

Aquilonia is too big. There are steppes in Aquilonia? What happened to the Poitanian Mountains?

There are steppes around the coast of Pictland? The stories make it sound like the forest runs right up to the coast, save for a strip of beach which wouldn't be big enough to put on the map.

Khitai is in a temperate zone. Indeed, the Swamps of the Dead and the jungles of Paikang are pretty much at the same latitude as Cimmeria. And what is with that huge, honking mountain range seperating Khitai from the rest of the world? Why build a Great Wall of Khitai when those mountains make the Himaliyas look dinky? Why build a Great Wall to protect the south, when all the Khitain cities are located in the north (according to this map, anyway)?

Southern Black Kingdoms are too small. No Amazon or Atlaia or Kordafan or Tombalku. Indeed, the whole of the black coast hardly looks forbidding, lost or even interesting in this map.

Two branches of the Karpash mountains?

Cimmeria is colored for "plains."

Arenjun NOT in Zamora?

Misnaming the Taian Mountains the "Mountains of Fire." The real Mountains of Fire are between Shem and Koth.

Shall I really go on?

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What do you dislike about these maps?

http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/vd_hyborian_age_full.jpg

http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/vd_hyborian_age.jpg

 

[Supplement Four]

That is the map produced for the first printing of Mongoose's Conan RPG and it is grossly inaccurate.

Whelp, that's why I posted. I like the look of the map. And, although I've read a lot of Conan, I haven't studied the maps.

It's too bad.

What, in your opinion, is the best Conan map for accuracy?

My guess is that you'll pick the one you did, but to be honest, I don't like the look of it at all. I'd like to see the same map done with a different technique.

Are there some maps (besides Howard's pencil sketch) that are worthy?

 

[VincentDarlage]

Whelp, that's why I posted.

Did you just call me a "whelp?" I'm 37 years old. I think I have aged beyond the definition of a whelp. Seriously, though, name-calling serves no purpose here.

What, in your opinion, is the best Conan map for accuracy?

My guess is that you'll pick the one you did, but to be honest, I don't like the look of it at all. I'd like to see the same map done with a different technique.

Mine are the best for accuracy, as you correctly guessed. To be honest, I wish an actual cartographer/artist would render mine into a decent-looking, artistic map, but none has to date. I didn't create my maps for beauty, but for accuracy.

(I do have a sepia-toned version of those maps that look a bit better, but Thulsa didn't post those up on his site).

Are there some maps (besides Howard's pencil sketch) that are worthy?

Dale Rippke has some simple maps which are also worthy, but they simply show the borders of Hyborian age realms. Other than that, no.

 

[Hervé]

I"m with Vincent on this one: This map sucks, at least in terms of accuracy.
Those Vincent posted on Thulsa's site are more to my liking. Check them out at: http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/index.htm

 

[Sutek]

Mine are the best for accuracy, as you correctly guessed. To be honest, I wish an actual cartographer/artist would render mine into a decent-looking, artistic map, but none has to date. I didn't create my maps for beauty, but for accuracy.

Your's rock, Vincent, but the textures are a litle off. The bodies of water look too flat. I happen to be an graphic artist, and I've done a few hobby maps in my day for RPGs. I could take a chunk of the original and augment it and see what you think. Contanct me via PM if you're interested.

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[Supplement Four]

Whelp, that's why I posted.

Did you just call me a "whelp?" I'm 37 years old. I think I have aged beyond the definition of a whelp. Seriously, though, name-calling serves no purpose here.

You're joking, yes? Of course I wasn't calling you a name. I used it at the beginning of a sentence as one would say "Well, that's why.."

You've never heard it used that way?

Mine are the best for accuracy, as you correctly guessed. To be honest, I wish an actual cartographer/artist would render mine into a decent-looking, artistic map, but none has to date.

If that were ever done, I'd love to see them.


I think they'd be more useful, too, if there were more information on them besidies the kingdom names. Throw some city and river and ruin names on there.



EDIT: BTW, Vincent, some of those pencils you have on your site are truly amazing. On your Inzeldadun bio page, there are three pencils of a girl. The far right you call "Surrender".

Those are just simply brilliant. Especially "Surrender". That's my favorite. It says so much. Great stuff.

 

[VincentDarlage]

You're joking, yes? Of course I wasn't calling you a name. I used it at the beginning of a sentence as one would say "Well, that's why.."

You've never heard it used that way?

Nope. Glad I was mistaken, though.

I think they'd be more useful, too, if there were more information on them besidies the kingdom names. Throw some city and river and ruin names on there.

The close-up maps of each area has those on them. I like the main map to be uncluttered. However, if someone wants to rework those maps, that is fine. Here is an example: http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/vd_eastern_desert.jpg

EDIT: BTW, Vincent, some of those pencils you have on your site are truly amazing. On your Inzeldadun bio page, there are three pencils of a girl. The far right you call "Surrender".

Those are just simply brilliant. Especially "Surrender". That's my favorite. It says so much. Great stuff.

Thanks! I like that one, too. http://www.elfwood.com/art/v/i/vincentdar/960117girl.jpg.html

 

[VincentDarlage]

Your's rock, Vincent, but the textures are a litle off. The bodies of water look too flat. I happen to be an graphic artist, and I've done a few hobby maps in my day for RPGs. I could take a chunk of the original and augment it and see what you think. Contanct me via PM if you're interested.

8)

I sent you a PM. I would love for an actual graphic artist to rework them into something better. Thanks!

 

[seanbickford]

I'm glad this topic came up. Vincent, while your attention to detail and historical research is unparalleled, those maps just don't cut the mustard as either a spiffy looking handout or as an user-friendly reference map. The perfect map would be one that has been researched by Vincent and rendered by a graphic artist. I wait with baited breath.

 

[Supplement Four]

Nope. Glad I was mistaken, though.

Strange you've never heard that expression, being a teacher and all. Just for grins, I went to Google and typed in: "Whelp, I

You can see that many people use the expression.

The close-up maps of each area has those on them. I like the main map to be uncluttered. However, if someone wants to rework those maps, that is fine. Here is an example:
http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/vd_eastern_desert.jpg

What would be neat would be a multi-layered map--one that, when zoomed out, didn't show detail, but as you used your mouse roller to zoom in, more detail could be seen about a specific area.

I've seen some Traveller maps like this. They're quite fantastic.

Thanks! I like that one, too.

Yeah, there's a whole story there in that one pic. I'm not quite sure what it is, but I'm interested.

And, I'm glad you didn't make her an elf. It would have ruined it. It's really a thought-provoking pic.

 

[Sutek]

Hey, Sup4, can you put up a link to one of those Traveler maps you're refering to? I'd like to see if it's just a graphic, of if it's something done with coding. It's likely the latter, and I can't do that. I do illustration and not programming.

 

[Yogah of Yag]

I sent you a PM. I would love for an actual graphic artist to rework them into something better. Thanks!

*sigh*
I was ready and willing to make a very HQ set of maps for whatsoever Vincent wanted, and emailed MG to see if they'd offer a job, but they didn't get the hint.

(I was the bloke that made the Numalia map. I don't know if it's still on these boards though.)

I could use a little extra folding money and would be glad to do some maps, but they'd have to be drawn by hand. I just never liked the modern-looking, computer-drawn maps.

And I've never heard "whelp" used for "well" either. From now on let's all use the proper English "newborn canine." :lol:

 

[Supplement Four]

Hey, Sup4, can you put up a link to one of those Traveler maps you're refering to? I'd like to see if it's just a graphic, of if it's something done with coding. It's likely the latter, and I can't do that. I do illustration and not programming.

The link to the map that I like (the looks of) is in the OP.

I also like the look of the revised Mongoose map.

 

[Supplement Four]

And I've never heard "whelp" used for "well" either. From now on let's all use the proper English "newborn canine." :lol:

Do a google search. Type in "Whelp, I and see what you get.

 

[Sutek]

Google asks if I meant to type "help, I", so obviously sdomething is wonky straight away. I see a coupld of blog entries that use the word the way you have, but that is far from being able to derive that your use of the word "whelp" is correct.

I see that Dictionary.com has these seven definitions, the most common usage being either "the young of the dog, or of the wolf, bear, lion, tiger, seal, etc." or "a youth, esp. an impudent or despised one."

Hmm.

:wink:

 

[Sutek]

Hey, Sup4, can you put up a link to one of those Traveler maps you're refering to? I'd like to see if it's just a graphic, of if it's something done with coding. It's likely the latter, and I can't do that. I do illustration and not programming.

The link to the map that I like (the looks of) is in the OP.

I also like the look of the revised Mongoose map.

Um...if by OP you mean "opening post," then that isn't a Traveler map, it's a Conan map, of Hyperborea. Did you not mean Traveler, as in the RPG, or was it that you were using "Traveler" to mean something realated to Conan?

I'm confused... :?

 

[Sting52jb]

to be fair i have hear the term Whelp used quiet often but its more a slang term. I've actually used it myself, but it sounds different when saying then when your writing it.

 

[Supplement Four]

to be fair i have hear the term Whelp used quiet often but its more a slang term. I've actually used it myself, but it sounds different when saying then when your writing it.

Correct. It is slang.

 

[Supplement Four]

I see a coupld of blog entries that use the word the way you have, but that is far from being able to derive that your use of the word "whelp" is correct.

Whelp, I see I need to help you out.

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whelp
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Whelp

interjection. A remark, generally thought of as southern slang, that is derived from the word "Well" and also used in its stead in order to lead one into another sentence that may continue a paused conversation/story or be used to signify the conclusion of one. Where as pronunciation of "Well" can be drawn out, "Whelp" is strictly pronounced very quickly and with a slight rising-inflection.
a. Whelp, the barn is on fire, I lost my cell phone, and my girlfriend is cheating on me with a clown. Today's been so-so, I s'pose.

b. Yea, so I say to her "You better have my money, or Santa Clause might come to town, ON YOUR ARSE!" *entire posse laughs , and suddenly a the story-teller's wife walks into the bar, brief pause as everyone looks at her* Whelp, time for me to getting home I s'pose.