Hwwmv weapon options

[Mr Evil]

ok here are my hwwmv's im workin on

the first is out of the box with a crewman added, the second is one ive painted (was in same pack as green ne next to it, and the green one is again out of the box.

for simplicity we shall call them

A

B

and C

so what weapons do you guys recon each should be armed with, and what effects should said weapon display ?

i was thinking of using C as a shadow.

in advance many thanks for any ideas or help.

 

[darklord4]

A looks like a .50 Cal.

B looks like some sort of missile launcher.

C looks like a multi missile launcher. Maybe an AA system? Kind of looks like a stack of potato guns that my brother made.

What brand/line of cars are those? I've been looking for some cheap hummers.

 

[Mr Evil]

the b and c are the cheap line toys'r'us do

 

[dsfrankevo]

A) The .50 cal HMG - see the M1A2 for stats

B) The TOW (Tube-launched Optically-tracked Wire-guided) anti-tank missle - this is the weapon the the missle on the shadow is intended to replace - I plan to use the shadow stats for my TOW Equiped Hummers

C) Some made-up missle launcher - looks more like a triple barrelled TOW than any other system in production

There are AT-missle launchers with more than one "barrel" / missile (M2 Bradley)- for current missles systems it just cuts down the time before you have to reload - does not have an effect on firing more frequently - as this is set in the future - you can change it to do whatever you want.

If it was me I'd treat it as a Hellfire missle launcher - before it was determined to be a helicopter only weapon system (Apache / Blackhawk gunship / Future Mod Cobra) there were ground based tests - your toy could represent that nicely

 

[Mr Evil]

excelent idea cheers.

 

[Hiromoon]

Actually C looks more like three Recoiless rifles stuck on.

Maybe it'd be better to actually look at real ones for options? I know they have varients mounting:

.50 Caliber (turret)
.50 Caliber (turret), Twin M249 Saws (Rear mount)
TOW (Turret)
M60 7.63mm (Turret)
MK 19 Grenade Launcher (Turret)

 

[Mr Evil]

so how would you classify A/B and C hiro, and could you do a card for them with the options pleeeease..if you get chance of course.

as you the best man to ask, what sorta rules would you sugest for the different weapon options as well.

 

[Mr Evil]

these are 2 that looked applicable maybe

the later isnt on a flatbed back though grrrr

and this is the recoiless rifle but single barrel

and this is the page i found the pics on
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/hmmwv-pics.htm

 

[Mr Evil]

ok its a starburst, its just when you buy the toy the gun is facing the wrong way lol.

the real thing

the toy (as it comes in the middle) other two have gun turned around lol

so what doese a starburst do !!!

 

[Mr Evil]

although for yanks to use it it would be the starstreek i believe, also as thats the replacment for the uk javlin Surface to air, ie not the yank javlin wich is anti tank i think. and def not a school javlin as thats just a fiberglass spike you throw.

 

[Mr Evil]

ok C is fun now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstreak_missile

this would be its probable use and ammo, and on testing it had the same penatration as a 40mm bofor, and was able to penatrate the front armour of a AFV but is not as effective as a antitank missile.

tis a good read.

so using it as a shadow doesnt seem to be to far fetched at the moment.

 

[Larac]

Do not forget the Archer.

Lee

 

[Mr Evil]

ok probably the best person to answer this is hiro, but as allways its open to all

what is game wise the possable differance between a tow launcher on the HWWMV and the tripple barrled starstrike launcher, if any, i know the starstrike is AA but it has been earmarked for use as anti AFV use.

 

[Hiromoon]

Given that I haven't SEEN any Starstreak stuff in theater, least of all mounted on a HMMWV....

And the TOW missile is a Heavy anti-tank missile, wire guided missile that packs more of a punch than the Starstreak missile does. Effectively, the missiles have divergent purposes that limit their usefulness in the other's field of speciality.

 

[Col_stone]

i think the starburst on humweee may be something of a fantasy vehicle,,
Starbursts are afaik not in use with the US military, besides testing for use on Apaches(?)
and the UK don't use Hmmwvs do they, except for a few trials in the nineties
(which that pic maybe from?)
although, in fifteen years time.. :roll:

 

[Mr Evil]

no the americans dont use starburst, but they do use the starstreak, and that uses the same launcher.

its hrd to find but the do exist, they are mostly anti aircraft but ALSO EMPLOYED AGAINST ARMOUR TARGETS AS WELL, AS THE EXSPLODE INSIDE THE TARGET (SORRY rushin and caps lock was on)

brb

 

[Col_stone]

aah that explains it, i thought it was a toy-mistake

 

[dsfrankevo]

C) Some made-up missle launcher - looks more like a triple barrelled TOW than any other system in production

If it was me I'd treat it as a Hellfire missle launcher - before it was determined to be a helicopter only weapon system (Apache / Blackhawk gunship / Future Mod Cobra) there were ground based tests - your toy could represent that nicely

I stand corrected it certainly does appear to be a starburst launcher - which is not in production yet - you could use "stinger" or any other hand held AA missile stats when they are published - wouldn't use the Tanguska missile stats - it would be too powerful

As an alternative you could give it a dual Antitank & AA capability - that appears to be the vision of future missile systems - like the US ADATS

Mr. E your painted HUMMERS are sweet lookin'

 

[Hiromoon]

Evil, I have not seen Starstreak anywhere within the arsenal of the US Military.

Additionally:
-Wikipedia isn't that good of a source, seeing as I can't verify the claim that they tested it on an AFV.
-The vehicle they used it on (supposedly) was an APC. APCs aren't known for their...durability while under fire.

 

[Mr Evil]

Evil, I have not seen Starstreak anywhere within the arsenal of the US Military.

Additionally:
-Wikipedia isn't that good of a source, seeing as I can't verify the claim that they tested it on an AFV.
-The vehicle they used it on (supposedly) was an APC. APCs aren't known for their...durability while under fire.

also didnt say what type of APC lol, could be an old captured bmp1 for all we know !!! still maybe good for taking out light armoured vehicles. with a small chance of killin the big stuf like pla tank say D6+5 but can only be used on targets size 2 and over. as a bonus maybe allow it to fire per action, and once per game as a reaction ?