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House rules for beam-less Centauri?
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Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Supporting lasers and ion cannons as primary weapons. I will get to work on that in the next few days, see what I come up with. Then we can pick and choose between mine and SNJ's ideas... 8)
I guess the idea of mass ion cannons would be cool.
Supporting lasers in the form of plasma streams would be preferable.
Like Centauri do not get to replicate Minbari tech. But going down onto boresighted weaponry is not really wanted.
Normally most races depend on rather few weapons which they bring to maximum efficiency rather than multitudes of lesser weapons.
Or rather the more advanced a race the less the number of weapons used.
Supporting lasers in the form of plasma streams would be preferable.
Like Centauri do not get to replicate Minbari tech. But going down onto boresighted weaponry is not really wanted.
Normally most races depend on rather few weapons which they bring to maximum efficiency rather than multitudes of lesser weapons.
Or rather the more advanced a race the less the number of weapons used.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Well, fluff resources say the Centauri have lasers, but we don't see them in the show, which is, of course, the point of this exercise.
Fluff resources also state that the Narn acquired most of their weapons technology by reverse-engineering captured Centauri equipment, and we know the Narn developed their lasers from captured Centauri lasers. They changed them from lighter support lasers to main weapons, and sold this technology to the Earth Alliance. So the Centarui must have lasers of some kind.
However, if they concentrate on ion cannons and only mount lasers as supporting weapons on some ships it would still make them much different to the other races and remove the "beam-team" slurs hurled by players of other fleets.
Fluff resources also state that the Narn acquired most of their weapons technology by reverse-engineering captured Centauri equipment, and we know the Narn developed their lasers from captured Centauri lasers. They changed them from lighter support lasers to main weapons, and sold this technology to the Earth Alliance. So the Centarui must have lasers of some kind.
However, if they concentrate on ion cannons and only mount lasers as supporting weapons on some ships it would still make them much different to the other races and remove the "beam-team" slurs hurled by players of other fleets.
In fact I swear garibaldi used some phrase like 'centauri energy weapons use an explosive rather than slicing mode' when they were discussing the damage done by the 'raiders' (read: Vorchan wing)that were using centauri weapons pre Fall of Centauri Prime.
Which would seem to suggest no lasers.
Which would seem to suggest no lasers.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
I've not seen any fluff source that says the Vorchan or Demos mount any lasers. Like I said, supporting weapons on some ships.
You could use them as a support weapon.
And lasers can be fired in long raking, mode. Or you fire them in a short powerful mode, then they become explosive.
Effectively you might just exchange Beam for Mini-Beam with slightly higher AD. (Stupid MB AF rule, otherwise idb be perfect).
BTW Narn might have aquired laser tech from the LONAW, not necessarily from the Centauri, unless it has already been stated where Narn laser tech comes from.
And lasers can be fired in long raking, mode. Or you fire them in a short powerful mode, then they become explosive.
Effectively you might just exchange Beam for Mini-Beam with slightly higher AD. (Stupid MB AF rule, otherwise idb be perfect).
BTW Narn might have aquired laser tech from the LONAW, not necessarily from the Centauri, unless it has already been stated where Narn laser tech comes from.
captainsmirk
Mongoose
locarno24 said:In fact I swear garibaldi used some phrase like 'centauri energy weapons use an explosive rather than slicing mode' when they were discussing the damage done by the 'raiders' (read: Vorchan wing)that were using centauri weapons pre Fall of Centauri Prime.
Which would seem to suggest no lasers.
Well the raiders are all Vorchans/Demos and they don't have lasers anyway...
Nick
captainsmirk
Mongoose
Voronesh said:Stupid MB AF rule, otherwise idb be perfect.
They could do with having a rule between Beam and MB, which ignores interceptors but doesn't get the beam re-rolls or AF.
Mini-Beam, Beam, Big F***ing Beam?
Beam, Mini-Beam, Micro-Beam?
Or my personal favourite:
Mini-Beam, Beam, Slicer?
Nick
Well the raiders are all Vorchans/Demos and they don't have lasers anyway
I know....but they didn't know this at the time; they were talking about centauri weapons generally...
captainsmirk
Mongoose
Unfortunatly various official sources mention the presence of Lasers on Centauri ships, which why I am reluctant to remove them completely, but the support laser idea is probably the best.
As for Garibaldi's comment, he may just have been refering to their main weapons. Not all EA weapons are Beams so the Centauri may also use several weapon types.
Also in the show the Primus seems to have disappeared from the Centauri fleet by this point...
Nick
As for Garibaldi's comment, he may just have been refering to their main weapons. Not all EA weapons are Beams so the Centauri may also use several weapon types.
Also in the show the Primus seems to have disappeared from the Centauri fleet by this point...
Nick
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
captainsmirk said:locarno24 said:In fact I swear garibaldi used some phrase like 'centauri energy weapons use an explosive rather than slicing mode' when they were discussing the damage done by the 'raiders' (read: Vorchan wing)that were using centauri weapons pre Fall of Centauri Prime.
Which would seem to suggest no lasers.
Well the raiders are all Vorchans/Demos and they don't have lasers anyway...
Nick
Not true, we see that there are Primus class vessels forming part of the rogue Centauri fleet in the ep where Lennier tracks them back to their base
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
captainsmirk said:Unfortunatly various official sources mention the presence of Lasers on Centauri ships, which why I am reluctant to remove them completely, but the support laser idea is probably the best.
Nick
I agree, which is why I suggest the beams become a support weapon rather than the main focus weapon they are now, but do not disappear altogether.
The centauri factbook talks about ion cannons gradually replacing lasers on Centauri ships as the tech becomes better
Sounds cool , Big Ion cannons, not so big lasers. Lasers are for girls, Ion Cannons is what you need real Big ones.
Not keen on the mini beam idea though.
It would be nice to have something different to the other races.
Also think abbai should have shields instead of interceptors x ( really high number ). If the had like Shields 2 trait that stops everything that would make them unique, maybe the Kotha fighter always survives on 6 as well to represent shields.
Not keen on the mini beam idea though.
It would be nice to have something different to the other races.
Also think abbai should have shields instead of interceptors x ( really high number ). If the had like Shields 2 trait that stops everything that would make them unique, maybe the Kotha fighter always survives on 6 as well to represent shields.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
agree on no mini-beam, just volleys of energy pulses overwhelming interceptors
Well Mb was just a suggestion for explosive fire mode of lasers.
And not really something id like myself. Id suggest non DD beams for support, and bigger ion cannons to kill the big guys.
Plasma streams should be actually better than the Centauri battle lasers. Why covet the weapon otherwise.
And not really something id like myself. Id suggest non DD beams for support, and bigger ion cannons to kill the big guys.
Plasma streams should be actually better than the Centauri battle lasers. Why covet the weapon otherwise.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Voronesh said:Well Mb was just a suggestion for explosive fire mode of lasers.
And not really something id like myself. Id suggest non DD beams for support, and bigger ion cannons to kill the big guys.
Plasma streams should be actually better than the Centauri battle lasers. Why covet the weapon otherwise.
I agree, I think the plasma stream should be a heavy hitter like a mag gun but maybe with slow-loading since the fluff describes the tech being difficult to reproduce
light beam lasers much like the Abbai combat lasers would be good.
ion cannons something like twin-linked, AP, double damage
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Voronesh said:One doesnt necessarily need TL, since TL removes CAF goodyness. Simply a good number of AD and the ships should be good to go.
Plus i never understand why fitting a second barrel to a gun makes it unable to let the gunner concentrate fire on something.
because the idea is to redesign the pathetic twin arrays to better match what we seen in the show and rapid volley firing from twin mounts counts as twin-linked (aside from the current weapon already being twin-linked)
you'd still need to decide whether or not to use CAF! on your lasers
Correct. but id prefer to keep the Centauri nature of having the abilty to CAF.
OFC we can go with the logic that a second barrel only fires when the first one misses.....instead of both simply hitting the target for twice the fun (or both missing).
Yes basically id just prefer to keep fanhead abilty to CAF. Thats all. no other reason there.
OFC we can go with the logic that a second barrel only fires when the first one misses.....instead of both simply hitting the target for twice the fun (or both missing).
Yes basically id just prefer to keep fanhead abilty to CAF. Thats all. no other reason there.
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