Greg's biggest gregging ever...

[Rurik]

Just got a reply from Greg!

The grand old man says as long as we obtain permission, mirroring is okay!

Excellent! Now say sorry for being grumpy about it before!

- Q

But Trif HAS to be Grumpy. That is his purpose in life (or at least on these boards). Thats why we love him. Or Hate him.

 

[Trifletraxor]

Just got a reply from Greg!

The grand old man says as long as we obtain permission, mirroring is okay!

Excellent! Now say sorry for being grumpy about it before!

- Q

I am happy that what was written in the Fan Policy about "Gathering Third Party Material" don't actually apply. That does not mean I've suddenly started to like the Fan Policy though. During my research for GBC's Link List, I've come across too many closed down RQ sites which refer to the Policy when explaining why they're down.

SGL.

 

[Trifletraxor]

But Trif HAS to be Grumpy. That is his purpose in life (or at least on these boards). Thats why we love him. Or Hate him.

I'm not grumpy! :evil: It's just you bunch of guys who're all on ecstacy.

You should meet Gavlin Grudgemaker, now he's grumpy...

SGL.

 

[Rurik]

I'm not grumpy! :evil:

Look kinda grumpy to me. :wink:

 

[Trifletraxor]

Look kinda grumpy to me. :wink:

That's cause you're high on ecstacy! 8)

...You treehugger!

 

[Trifletraxor]

That man is a walking

SGL.

But also a quite nice man to deal with it turned out. Must have sent the first e-mail to the wrong adresse or something. The GBC project was given a go-ahead!

SGL.

 

[homerjsinnott]

Sorry it just sounds like control freakery to me, and one of the reasons why heroquest is not doing as well as it could be and why there has been so little professionally printed on Glorantha.

Trif is not the first to voice that this is unworkable and detrimental.

Given Trif's post below yours, Bruce, I'll give it an honorary LOL.

- Q

Ah Bruce, I've been hornswoggled.

 

[Quire]

During my research for GBC's Link List, I've come across too many closed down RQ sites which refer to the Policy when explaining why they're down.

That's interesting. How many, and what ones? I'd be very intrigued to see how they came a-cropper on the rocky shores of the pernicious FMP.

- Q

PS PM me, rather than start dragging the ruined corpses of sites through the FMP dust in full view, natch.

 

[Quire]

Ah Bruce, I've been hornswoggled.

Never mind Bruce. Between the grumps, the treehuggers and the ecstacy, I'd be surprised if I wasn't woggling some horns come dawn meself.

- Q

 

[Vivamort]

People can tell other people what to do whenever they like, waving contractual obligations in the air, but if they refuse to listen and it is reasonable under the law then it's just hot air.

Without laws like the above there would be no journalism or educational research at all.

But you obviously have more knowledge on the subject so I'll let this one go ;-)

I'm not so sure about my having more knowledge, it sounds like you did your homework. It wouldn't have been much of an argument anyway because I actually wholeheartedly agree with you. I was clumsily trying to say that as written the fan policy didn't seem to entirely track with "fair use" doctrine but it would be best to take it at face value as written absent clarification from Greg.

Which he kindly provided in a very timely fashion.

 

[Voriof]

Wow. Someone's got issues where Greg's concerned.

Jeff

Yes, obviously.... :roll:

But could you who maintains a shrine to the infallible Mr. Stafford and have previously worked with the legend tell us what your interpretation of the "Article Gathering Prohibited" part of the wonderful Fan Policy is?

SGL.

Like others have said, why not ask Greg? I find him very helpful and usually informative, especially if you're polite and pleasant. I would be hard pressed to describe him as infalible. Considering some of the folks in the gaming industry I've dealt with over the years, he's by far one of the easiest to work with. But then, I've never been Gregged - so perhaps I'm just on the right track.

So, rather than being bitter and sarcastic about the old man, why not... well.. apparently you did. See? It wasn't so hard, now was it?

Jeff

 

[Rurik]

That's cause you're high on ecstacy! 8)

...You treehugger!

Damn straight. Ecstacy and Dryads, mmmmm......

 

[weasel_fierce]

Compare to WOTC, Palladium and GW's "cease and desist" letters when you get too close to their settings, I think Greg is pretty cool.

 

[duncan_disorderly]

During my research for GBC's Link List, I've come across too many closed down RQ sites which refer to the Policy when explaining why they're down.

That's interesting. How many, and what ones? I'd be very intrigued to see how they came a-cropper on the rocky shores of the pernicious FMP.

Elsewhere, Rick Meints recently asserted the only sites given "cease & desist" orders were those posting (large chunks of) the RQ rules.

I'm sure there were fan sites that closed down citing the FPP as the reason (and it could be claimed that even one is "too many"). However I think this is mostly, if not entirel, because the owners of those sites chose not to deal with the policy rather than because the policy made it impossible for the site to continue. This may be, in part due to the "lawyer-speak" nature of the policy, and in part due to the "The sky is falling" doom-sayers who sprang up to decry the policy when it appeared.

 

[Trifletraxor]

That's cause you're high on ecstacy! 8)

...You treehugger!

Damn straight. Ecstacy and Dryads, mmmmm......

Tripping on ecstasy... That's not a dryad it's a pine tree you're humping!

SGL.

 

[soltakss]

During my research for GBC's Link List, I've come across too many closed down RQ sites which refer to the Policy when explaining why they're down.

That's interesting. How many, and what ones? I'd be very intrigued to see how they came a-cropper on the rocky shores of the pernicious FMP.

I'm sure there were fan sites that closed down citing the FPP as the reason (and it could be claimed that even one is "too many"). However I think this is mostly, if not entirel, because the owners of those sites chose not to deal with the policy rather than because the policy made it impossible for the site to continue. This may be, in part due to the "lawyer-speak" nature of the policy, and in part due to the "The sky is falling" doom-sayers who sprang up to decry the policy when it appeared.

Several people have closed down their websites, citing the FPP as the reason.

In my opinion, they didn't need to, they either didn't want to ask Greg for a permit or they thought the FPP restricted their rights in some way.

There are things about the FPP that I absolutely hate and I do think it is too restrictive and will strangle Gloranthan growth, but it is there and people have to deal with it. The way to deal with it is to either close down a website or ask for a permit and amend certain things on the website to bring it in line with the conditions.

If your website does not meet the conditions of the FPP, then you can always ask for a different type of permit. I have maps on my website which are treated differently under the FPP and I had to ask for a different permit, which was given without a problem. OK, it took 6 months, but that is how Greg works.

So, the answer is not to complain about the FPP, even though it is a pile of doggy-doo, but to bring things in line with the conditions and carry on as before.

Much better than throwing your hands in the air, saying "I can't carry on" and deleting a website, which too many people seem to have done.

 

[weasel_fierce]

has anyone that requested the license actually been turned down ?

 

[rmeints]

has anyone that requested the license actually been turned down ?

Having worked closely with Issaries on licensing, I cannot recall them ever turning down a request for a website license. I can't recall Issaries turning down licenses for doing magazines or fundraiser publications either. The biggest problem has been that few people have asked.

To clarify the situation and a few comments posted recently, Issaries has not shut down any Gloranthan websites via "cease and desist" other than sites that grossly violated copyright by doing something like putting the entire RQ2 rulebook verbatim online. There are a few website owners who shut down their Gloranthan websites and posted a message stating they did it because of the FPP, but that was because they chose not to try requesting a license. Issaries didn't make them shut down, nor did they deny them a license.

 

[Trifletraxor]

I think a bit of the problem is that the licence i a horrid reading. After reading it, I sincerely got the impression that getting the licence would be hard and difficult. Had I lived in the U.S. I would have been afraid of lawsuits too.

Upon contacting Greg, it all turned out to be a painless procedure, and Greg a very nice man to deal with. The licence however, DO give a bad first impression - which is probably what made some people not bother with applying. It's also a bit difficult to know the consequences of the legal statements you apply have to post on your site.

SGL.