Gorn BCH

[Lincolnlog]

The Gorn Heavy Battlecruiser has a Flag Bridge on the Fed Comm ship card, but no Command +1 trait in ACTA-SF. It is the only BCH in the game that doesn't have command +1. The errata only chages the damage for the BCH.

Is there more errata coming? Or is this it, it is what it is? The Gorn already have enough minuses without losing a precious initiative boost on a ship that should clearly be available as a flagship.

What are you all doing, are you applying Command +1 to theis ship?

 

[Lincolnlog]

Continuing my Gorn ramble, the DNE, DNH and DNT all have better damage ratings and shields than the DN. The DN has shields 36, Damage 52/18....all other Gorn Dreads have shields 38, damage 52/17. Can't emphasis the number of times 1 point of damage made a difference in a game.

I had a D7C that was 1 point from being crippled at the end of a tournament game at Nashcon.

 

[billclo]

I use the 52/18 rating; 52/17 has got to be a glitch.

I did not know the BCH had a Flag Bridge. I figured it was one of those Mongoose weirdness things. So right now the Gorns have the DN and lowly CC as command ships.

 

[Lincolnlog]

Yeah, if you look at the Squadron Scale BCH chart:

http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/Commanders%20Circle/documents/ship%20cards/Gorn%20Reorginazation/Gorn_BCH_LF_LT.pdf

There is a flag bridge on the SSD/Chart.

 

[Myrm]

Not saying the result may not be wrong still but last time I queried this they were looking more at F&E Command ratings as criteria for Command trait - not Flag Bridge.

The BCH Control spaces are - two FLag space and 2 Bridge, 1 Emergency, 2 Aux Con - 7 control spaces
The Klingon C7 has 3 Bridge, 2 emergency and 2 Aux Con - still 7 but no flag but does have Command.

So if its run off Control Spaces I call - inconsistent, and also that having a Flag Bridge would NOT be the defining criteria.....

However, as I say last time I asked the replies came on F&E ratings...

Now there C7 has Command of 10 and Command +1 Trait, D7 has 8 and no COmmand Trait, the D7C has a Command of 9 in F&E and the Command +1 Trait....so that gives a cutoff point for ACTA translation for giving any level of Command trait. THat break point appears conserved in Fed and Romulan fleet list looking at those available in ACTA. A look in the Master SITs for the Gorn BCH gives a COmmand of 10.

So if its run of F&E ratings, I also call - inconsistent.

If its run off something else - then who knows....so either its inconsistent or the criteria are not the one that are either obvious or discussed as possibles so far.

 

[Lincolnlog]

Or it could have been missed in the errata? I hope. :wink:

I'm not removing it from my cards until I get an official answer from Mongoose. I know if they add Command +1 they'll increase the points.

 

[Da Boss]

Or just have it as an option at +25 pts - simples

 

[Myrm]

Command +1 routinely adds 25 points to the cost of a vessel - you could always make two versions....one with and one without, then you are prepared.

 

[Rambler]

The Wargame Vault Gorn BCH Cards have Command+1 on them.

Also Linconlog ships in the FleetUpdates are more Playtest than actual final stats bear in mind they are liable to be tweaked before they are published in book2 +

 

[Lincolnlog]

The Wargame Vault Gorn BCH Cards have Command+1 on them.

Also Linconlog ships in the FleetUpdates are more Playtest than actual final stats bear in mind they are liable to be tweaked before they are published in book2 +

Understood, but one would assume they would have wanted the play test version to be as accurate as possible. Also, how do playtest materials impact already published materials? In this case unless the playtest materials are correct they impact heavily.

Thanks for the information on the Wargame Vault card are the points the same as in the book, seemed to me like the ship was costly enough already?

 

[Lincolnlog]

I use the 52/18 rating; 52/17 has got to be a glitch.

I did not know the BCH had a Flag Bridge. I figured it was one of those Mongoose weirdness things. So right now the Gorns have the DN and lowly CC as command ships.

Bill, I'll probably adjust the cards to 52/18 until the official stats come out. But, what about the diffenece in shields?

 

[Lord Hastings]

The Klingon ships can't be used for Flag Bridge comparisions as none of them have any, not even the Battleships, they have Security Stations which keep the majority non-Klingon crew in place and which are also hit on Flag Bridge hits when damaged.
Another ship which doesn't have any Flag Bridge is the Tholian Dreadnought (equivalent to a BCH in everyone else's Fleet), their largest ship until the Neo-Tholian 312th Battle Fleet catches up with the Holdfast. Until then they only have their CC.
Some War Cruiser leaders do have Flag Bridge and should qualify for Command +1 once available.

 

[Lincolnlog]

Rambler says the Gorn BCH has Command +1 on the official ship card, available on Wargames Vault. But, this is not in the errata or in the rule book. I think most believe it should be on there. So, which is correct?

We paid for the ship stats when we purchased the rule book.

Matthew, how about adding this to the errata or an official statement that the card on Wargames Vault is not correct.

 

[Lincolnlog]

The Klingon ships can't be used for Flag Bridge comparisions as none of them have any, not even the Battleships, they have Security Stations which keep the majority non-Klingon crew in place and which are also hit on Flag Bridge hits when damaged.
Another ship which doesn't have any Flag Bridge is the Tholian Dreadnought (equivalent to a BCH in everyone else's Fleet), their largest ship until the Neo-Tholian 312th Battle Fleet catches up with the Holdfast. Until then they only have their CC.
Some War Cruiser leaders do have Flag Bridge and should qualify for Command +1 once available.

Klingon command level ships have twice the Bridge Boxes as equivelant Federation ships. C8 has 4 Bridge boxes, Fed DN has 2.

 

[Myrm]

Flag isnt the source of the Command trait though - firstly, the Klingons guarantee that as do a number of other ships that you have mentioned and others besides. Security doesn't help explain the Klingon issue as thats an SFB feature and not on Federation Commander SSDs which are the primary source for ACTA conversion.

Thus far the best correlation is F&E Command value - and so far only the Gorn BCH failed on that and we have a formal publication that now includes the trait for that ship making the match perfect. The Tholian DN cited does have a high enough F&E value to meet the Command Trait criteria so reinforcing that its F&E command rating.