Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
April 15 is an important date in Clement Sector history.
Expect something to happen.
Expect something to happen.
[GK Games] April 15
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Gardensnake01
Mongoose
Any Hints?
William
William
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
Gardensnake01 said:
All will be revealed soon.
Gardensnake01
Mongoose
Making us wait? You're killing me!!! Oh well, I wait with baited breath then.
William
William
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
In the Clement Sector setting, April 15 is a big day. In our future history, April 15, 2331 is the date of the collapse of The Conduit (the wormhole that connected Earth Sector to Clement Sector). After that event, Clement Sector was separated from Earth and the worlds of Clement Sector were on their own.
As most of you reading this will be aware, Mongoose has created a second edition of their rules for Traveller. Like the collapse of the Conduit, this has forced a separation for the products we created under the first edition license that we had through Mongoose. Those products will be forced to no longer be part of the Traveller line and, on May 22, Gypsy Knights Games will remove those products from the market.
However, most of those former first edition products will be part of a new line of products that will take advantage of the fact that Mongoose's first edition is Open Game License. Not only will most of our existing product line become OGL but we will also continue to support that line with new products.
The first product for that line will be Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL). Clement Sector 2e (OGL) will be available for sale as a PDF on April 15 which is, for us, a very fitting day. A print version will follow shortly.
For those who have purchased (or were gifted) Clement Sector 1e through Drive-thru RPG, RPGNow, or any of the family of OBS websites, you should check your updates. You should have a free copy of the Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL) PDF for you there. Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL) will remain a free update for those who have purchased Clement Sector 1e until the product is pulled down on May 22. Of course, if you purchase Clement Sector 1e from DTRPG, you will also get a copy of Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL) along with your purchase.
Clement Sector 2nd Edition is not simply a rules update. We have added a detailed future history, a change in the rules on how the Zimm Drive works, and much more. We have also folded our Player's Guide, Career Track 1: Medic, and Career Companion into the 2nd edition of Clement Sector.
Does this mean that we are leaving Traveller? It does not. We have already prepared Clement Sector 2nd Edition (MgT 2e). Once we have permission from Mongoose to put this on the market, we will do so. It will be followed by a line of new products which will use Mongoose's second edition rules. Look for this to arrive quite soon.
So, as you can see, tomorrow will be a big day for Gypsy Knights Games. Thanks to everyone who has supported us over the years and we look forward to many more years of gaming with you.
As most of you reading this will be aware, Mongoose has created a second edition of their rules for Traveller. Like the collapse of the Conduit, this has forced a separation for the products we created under the first edition license that we had through Mongoose. Those products will be forced to no longer be part of the Traveller line and, on May 22, Gypsy Knights Games will remove those products from the market.
However, most of those former first edition products will be part of a new line of products that will take advantage of the fact that Mongoose's first edition is Open Game License. Not only will most of our existing product line become OGL but we will also continue to support that line with new products.
The first product for that line will be Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL). Clement Sector 2e (OGL) will be available for sale as a PDF on April 15 which is, for us, a very fitting day. A print version will follow shortly.
For those who have purchased (or were gifted) Clement Sector 1e through Drive-thru RPG, RPGNow, or any of the family of OBS websites, you should check your updates. You should have a free copy of the Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL) PDF for you there. Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL) will remain a free update for those who have purchased Clement Sector 1e until the product is pulled down on May 22. Of course, if you purchase Clement Sector 1e from DTRPG, you will also get a copy of Clement Sector 2nd Edition (OGL) along with your purchase.
Clement Sector 2nd Edition is not simply a rules update. We have added a detailed future history, a change in the rules on how the Zimm Drive works, and much more. We have also folded our Player's Guide, Career Track 1: Medic, and Career Companion into the 2nd edition of Clement Sector.
Does this mean that we are leaving Traveller? It does not. We have already prepared Clement Sector 2nd Edition (MgT 2e). Once we have permission from Mongoose to put this on the market, we will do so. It will be followed by a line of new products which will use Mongoose's second edition rules. Look for this to arrive quite soon.
So, as you can see, tomorrow will be a big day for Gypsy Knights Games. Thanks to everyone who has supported us over the years and we look forward to many more years of gaming with you.
Prime_Evil
Emperor Mongoose
Interesting.
As a fan of the setting, does this mean that there will be no "official" 3PP support for the new edition?
Does Mongoose have plans to update the SRD or will the new edition be completely off-limits to third-party publishers?
Or are we simply waiting for clarification one way or the other?
If the latter, how will this effect the long-term plans of Gypsy Knight Games?
As a fan of the setting, does this mean that there will be no "official" 3PP support for the new edition?
Does Mongoose have plans to update the SRD or will the new edition be completely off-limits to third-party publishers?
Or are we simply waiting for clarification one way or the other?
If the latter, how will this effect the long-term plans of Gypsy Knight Games?
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
Prime_Evil said:
I can tell you that there will be 3PP support for the new edition. I cannot tell you the details of that because, at this point, I'm contractually obligated to not tell you.
Prime Evil said:
Our intent is to continue to produce new Clement Sector material using 1e (through the OGL) and to update existing material to 2e once the super secret thing happens.
TriOpticon
Mongoose
Sorry, I am a little slow this morning but those books compatible with 1st Edition Mongoose Traveller will have "2nd Edition (OGL)" in their title?
And those that are compatible with the new Mongoose Traveller will have "2nd Edition (MgT 2e)" in their title?
Thank.
And those that are compatible with the new Mongoose Traveller will have "2nd Edition (MgT 2e)" in their title?
Thank.
Prime_Evil
Emperor Mongoose
Gypsy Knights Games said:
That's great news! Hopefully the super-secret thing will involve releasing at least some of the new 2e rules under the OGL - I'm not keen on a proliferation of "walled gardens" that lock 3PPs into restrictive licensing agreements. Surprisingly, WoTC got the balance almost right with D&D 5e - release most of the core rules under the OGL but also offer a licensing agreement to those who want to use IP that hasn't been opened up via a dedicated storefront (in exchange for a percentage of the profits).
Gypsy Knights Games said:
So this is largely a matter of timing? You will continue to produce 1e material for now under the existing OGL arrangement and then upgrade it to 2e once that option becomes available (when the "super secret thing" occurs).
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
TriOpticon said:
That is correct.
TriOpticon
Mongoose
Thanks!
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
Prime_Evil said:
We will continue making OGL material (formerly called "1e" material) for as long as people are interested in purchasing it. All but a few of our products will continue as OGL products. In addition, when we are permitted to do so, we will produce materials using 2e that are based on our existing 1e products.
For example, Ships of Clement Sector 1: Kiviat-class patrol corvette was created using 1e (also called OGL for purposes of this conversation). That book will continue to be available in this format but will be called "OGL" as opposed to "1e MgT". That book will not have the Traveller logo.
When Mongoose's Super Secret Thing comes along, we will produce a version of Ships of Clement Sector 1: Kiviat-class Patrol Corvette for 2e.
So there will be two books for the Kiviat. One for OGL. One for 2e.
When we get around to making Ships of Clement Sector 13: Strikemaster-class Brig, there will also be one for OGL and one for 2e.
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
phavoc said:
It would be simpler for us but that's not permitted.
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
phavoc said:
I will definitely agree that it is not an ideal situation. That being said, it is something over which we have no control.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that "other license holders have done this". However, I can tell you that this situation is quite different than those which have come before this. I'm afraid that I cannot elaborate further but I suspect that all will be revealed quite soon.
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
phavoc said:
I see what you mean now. Unfortunately, this situation (as it has been explained to me) will be somewhat different. I wish that I could elaborate further but I'm bound to secrecy on it.
Prime_Evil
Emperor Mongoose
Well...we appreciate the candour so far.
However, from an outsider's perspective, it does sound like one of four possible outcomes:
However, from an outsider's perspective, it does sound like one of four possible outcomes:
- Mongoose may be moving away from the OGL to a more restrictive licensing agreement akin the the D&D 4e GSL. This would be the worst option and may result in somebody "forking" the system - a bad outcome for the community as a whole.
- Mongoose may still release some material under the OGL but may introduce a more restrictive trademark compatibility licence. This is better, and would explain why they don't want people mixing 1e and 2e material in a single work.
- Mongoose may allow 3PPs to produce compatible materials using all of the new rules - but only sell them through a single store-front. This is similar to what WoTC has done with 5e D&D. I don't like this kind of walled garden, but I can see why it would be attractive. WotC offered a 5e SRD in addition to the dedicated online store - there is no reason why Mongoose couldn't do the same, although I consider this unlikely.
- Mongoose may only offer licenses to certain 3PPs with a proven track record.
Gypsy Knights Games
Cosmic Mongoose
Prime_Evil said:
No problem.
I can tell you that GKG will be putting forth a MgT 2e version of Clement Sector as soon as we're permitted to do so. That will be followed by updating many of the existing 1e Clement Sector materials to conform to the 2e rules.
