Gaim-simple solution to reballance

[Voronesh]

Well yeah, that refit only was worth it if you rolled it early on a rather virgin ship. Being allowed to ignore upgrade rolls is still used by some groups during campaigns, Dilgar city-levellers being among them.

 

[H]

Well yeah, that refit only was worth it if you rolled it early on a rather virgin ship. Being allowed to ignore upgrade rolls is still used by some groups during campaigns, Dilgar city-levellers being among them.

makes sense to be able to ignore them. conversely what about the option to spend more xp to be allowed to choose your re-fit? that way you do get to tailor certain ships for certain roles in your fleet! (remember in a campaign tailoring is useful, not so in a tourney ;-) )

 

[Voronesh]

That actually makes even more sense.

Captains would file for the most useful refits anyway. They arent stupid, otherwise they wouldnt be captain of a ship.

Maybe double the cost?

Burgers idea is ofc more refined.

 

[Burger]

makes sense to be able to ignore them. conversely what about the option to spend more xp to be allowed to choose your re-fit? that way you do get to tailor certain ships for certain roles in your fleet!

I had that idea a while back, I still think it's a very good one. Though most people were very quick to trash it, I don't think they really considered it properly. Of course the good refits would be much more expensive than the not-so-good ones; so you could choose to either buy several small upgrades now, or save up to buy that uber one - but that ship not be as effective, and maybe get blown up, in the meantime.

 

[H]

makes sense to be able to ignore them. conversely what about the option to spend more xp to be allowed to choose your re-fit? that way you do get to tailor certain ships for certain roles in your fleet!

I had that idea a while back, I still think it's a very good one. Though most people were very quick to trash it, I don't think they really considered it properly. Of course the good refits would be much more expensive than the not-so-good ones; so you could choose to either buy several small upgrades now, or save up to buy that uber one - but that ship not be as effective, and maybe get blown up, in the meantime.

indeed, OR you take your chance, pay your 2XP and your ship gets whatever refit the shipyard has lying around. Do you gamble, or pay the cost for the right re-fit.

if you made variable cost refits, you would need to do every fleets refit list, and no doubt some people would rate different refits at different rates!!

 

[Burger]

Yep

Eg. +1 speed would be expensive for ISA, but reasonably cheap for others.

 

[Sulfurdown]

The range is not a misprint. I would rate the 30" range on raid lvl queens one, but Matt has confirmed them as correct (like Drakh aft AF neutron lasers :S).

After tumbling it around in my head for the last couple weeks, I think I see where the range variance is coming from. The weapons on the Shuuka are all 2AD which is half the punch of the Shaakak. Lighter Photon Bombs means they can be fired a longer distance. Fluff-wise it makes sense.

It also has some impact on ships like the Drakh and taking the -1 AD criticals (14% chance of that after you've hit a critical) and offset by fleets with AA and the single weapon system critical (3%) or 4+ to fire (3%) which would have more impact on the dual weapon Shaakak. I'm not sure if the game mechanics make sense for the difference.

 

[Burger]

Lighter Photon Bombs means they can be fired a longer distance.

Lighter photon bombs means less fuel can be stored in them.

Don't tell me that fuel is irrelevant in space because there's no air - everyone knows ACTA space does have air, why would ships have a maximum speed otherwise :lol:

 

[H]

Lighter Photon Bombs means they can be fired a longer distance.

Lighter photon bombs means less fuel can be stored in them.

Don't tell me that fuel is irrelevant in space because there's no air - everyone knows ACTA space does have air, why would ships have a maximum speed otherwise :lol:

and ships get -speed crits meaning a kabintak ends up at speed zero with the right crit.. something must be stopping it drifting at it's existing speed!

 

[Sulfurdown]

I was thinking "Lighter" as in "lower yield warhead" which would hopefully be a lower mass and so require less fuel to go the same distance or equal fuel to go a further distance.

 

[Voronesh]

And ACTA actually proves that space is curved!!!!

How would a Vree ship be adrift towards table edge A, if just a turn before it was flying towards table edge B!

 

[Burger]

I was thinking "Lighter" as in "lower yield warhead" which would hopefully be a lower mass and so require less fuel to go the same distance or equal fuel to go a further distance.

ICBM's travel further than SCUD missiles

 

[H]

I was thinking "Lighter" as in "lower yield warhead" which would hopefully be a lower mass and so require less fuel to go the same distance or equal fuel to go a further distance.

ICBM's travel further than SCUD missiles

my tennis serves travel further than a Scud missile!!

 

[Sulfurdown]

You've got a slight difference in the technology and purpose between the two. (Let's start with Ockham's razor)

 

[Voronesh]

As long as you arent tennis serving Scud missiles ^^.

 

[Burger]

You've got a slight difference in the technology and purpose between the two. (Let's start with Ockham's razor)

So why is the WS Gunship's laser greater range than the WS's? That has more AD!

 

[Sulfurdown]

I will not be baited into another Laser discussion!! I stand by my belief that the entire Sci-Fi obsession with the Uber-Lasers is a bunch of ...! SuSHAFSBReTT* can explain anything if you want it too. Cinematic Canon and all that!



(*Super-Special-Hyper-Advanced-Futuristic-Scientific-Break-Through-Technology)



(I didn't think the W/S Gunship had a longer laser range?)
EDIT: (and Lasers aren't ballistic, range would be base more on it's focusing technology then "fuel supply")

 

[Burger]

(I didn't think the W/S Gunship had a longer laser range?)

Oh yeah, I meant WS Carrier. 24".

Anyway, better example is Hermes 2AD missiles range 20", Apollo 8AD missiles range 30" :lol: Bigger goes further!

 

[Sulfurdown]

Anyway, better example is Hermes 2AD missiles range 20", Apollo 8AD missiles range 30" :lol: Bigger goes further!

There is your SCUD vs ICBM. I think the Apollo is a tidge bit bigger then the Hermes and can carry the big boy missiles.

 

[Da Boss]

played Nuclear War last night - much fun!