Future of the Paranoia line?

Danforth

Mongoose
I can still remember how thrilled I was back in February 2004 when a random Google search revealed a new edition of Paranoia was in the pipeline. I was grinning for about a week.

That was about three and a half years ago. We've had a wide range of supplements that cover more ground than West End Games ever managed, while also reprinting and updating the best of WEG's line. Even though I don't regularly RPG at the moment I've still bought a few of the books, such is my enthusiasm for Paranoia...

So: what next? The licence got renewed last year, and the press release for that mentioned a couple of new books (The Big Book of Bots and The Thin Green Line) but the line is pretty comprehensive now, with few obvious gaps for new material...

It's generally around this time that publishers start thinking about the new edition :D But! Personally I think Allen Varney's current rules set is excellent stuff, and that seems to be the prevailing opinion, so I don't see the need for a major overhaul.

That said I *would* like to see improvement in the production values, which can occasionally be a little amateurish... I like me some "three-column clutter" rather than arty whitespace and decorative angsty borders, but sometimes the typesetting/layout gets a bit random (the HIL Sector Blues material in Extreme Paranoia springs to mind), the illustrations too low-res, and the covers, while showcasing some good Jim Holloway art, sometimes look like they've been designed with MS Paint. I expect the 2nd edition WEG style is seen as old hat now, but IMHO it actually looks smarter - late 80s circuit-board two-tone prints and all. Also, here's a tip: if you start out colour coding book covers to match the security clearance spectrum, try not to skip or repeat any ;)

Still, it'd be crazy from a business perspective to fund a cosmetic redesign without changing the content. Where's the audience? Any other ideas for keeping momentum going? Or is it best, indeed is it natural, for Paranoia line support to simmer down to the odd Signs & Portents article, until such time has passed that a new edition is deemed appropriate, and cross fingers that production values will creep up then?
 
I'm no longer privy to the inner deliberations about the PARANOIA line, but to my knowledge, there is no plan for a new edition. I have no information on sales figures; that said, as an outside observer unaffiliated with the publisher, I think the market for a new edition would be insufficient to justify the effort.

From a design viewpoint, it would be nice if the base rulebook could incorporate some of the rules for higher-clearance characters from Extreme PARANOIA, and there's a lovely Trust mechanic in the indie RPG The Mountain Witch that I hunger to rip off. We could do more with Tension and Access numbers, too. But these are largely chrome, not base-level revisions, and don't merit the trouble of a new edition.

I'm no longer involved with the support line, and am speaking as an outside observer. In my view, there is still much to explore in PARANOIA supplements, especially in the realm of new play styles to add to the current Classic, Straight, and Zap. We still need a comprehensive Outdoors book. And there are many aspects of Alpha Complex life (if you can call it that) that could be productively explored in mission collections. But again, I have no idea what they're working on in-house.
 
Allen Varney said:
From a design viewpoint, it would be nice if the base rulebook could incorporate some of the rules for higher-clearance characters from Extreme PARANOIA

I can see that, though I think it would leave Extreme PARANOIA as a poorer supplement if, say (for the sake of argument) you moved the material on housing and high-clearance Troubleshooters into the main book, leaving the non-Troubleshooter content behind. I think the current division of content fits the evolution of most PARANOIA players' experience... the core book concentrates on Red-clearance Troubleshooter along with the players, and leave higher-clearance play and associated fluff in an expansion which experienced RPGers can get their teeth into.

Now then: I left a message on Gareth Hanrahan's blog asking if he was allowed to say anything about his next two Paranoia books, and I got this:
"The Big Book of Bots and The Thin Green Line are this month's projects. July has me doing another two mission anthologies, and I've just sent in a draft schedule for future Paranoia with eight books on it."

Now Gareth is a writer rather than a line editor AFAIK - but obviously a well-regarded one with Mongoose (they gave him Traveller!) - and it's good to know that someone who has kudos with the company is championing the line :D I'm guessing those eight proposed books include the two he's currently writing and will take us to the end of the current license period (mid 2010). With the proviso that this is a proposed schedule only, what would fellow forumites like to see from the line?

The Thin Green Line deals with the Vulture Squadron, the special forces of the Armed Forces, which should complement the general AF material in Service, Service! Maybe some other special units in other groups might merit the same treatment? I can see Internal Auditors at Power Services being a wellspring of Paranoid shenanigans...

I used to hanker for an updated DOA Sector Travelogue - as a kid I loved immersing myself in the fluff and world detail therein - but to a great extent that baton has been picked up by the core rulebook and the excellent Extreme PARANOIA (note to all GMs: You really ought to own this book) so I'm not sure what compelling unique content would go in such an update. More than a set of drop-in locations, at least.

Anyone else? Reply here, someone at Mongoose might see it and like it :)

(I posted this info at Paranoia-Live.net too, but they're more concerned with JParanoia and forum play over there, so I'll try it here...)
 
As a slightly off topic, but related, Danforth, there are people at Plive interested in this kind of discussion. The problem is that the threads are often so numerous, people who've missed a few days log in, and then out, to clear the backlog, and don't spot the interesting stuff. It might be worth bumping the post, and seeing if one of the mods the the area it's in can't sticky it.

As for the on topic, I'd like to see a re-packaging of the material, but without major changes. The playstyles, zap, classic, and straight, I think are enough. Any GM is free to tinker and adjust the gain on these, adding more I don't see as a viable option.

The repackaging of the contents of the books tho - that would be great if it could be done into a rainbow series, with optional rules in some, and a general contained arc, so there's an end in site for people who collect them.

Paranoia: The rainbow edition, with the GM book and players books being seperate entities.

Simple adventures could be presented in two-tone thin covers to stand along side, but it would be nice to see a shelf with black roygbiv white and then the two tones all neatly stacked.

Even if it's the same material, if the typesetting, and images were improved, I'd buy em.

Especially if there was a book within wich it detailed character mechanics from previous versions. (other than one version).

Paranoia for me has always been more about style than the rules, so I think may fans would stand only slight changes in the rules, and big style changes, to rebuy it.

One thing I would change about the current rules, however, is the treason ode stuff, and the mechanics of it. I know many GM's who run the game, and a lot of players. Of them, none will admit to using the current treason system as it stands, it's clunky. (IMO)
 
Maxamillion said:
One thing I would change about the current rules, however, is the treason ode stuff, and the mechanics of it. I know many GM's who run the game, and a lot of players. Of them, none will admit to using the current treason system as it stands, it's clunky. (IMO)
It does seem the treason mechanics haven't been widely adopted. I honestly thought it would lend more flavor to the debriefing system without (in my view) unduly complicating the rules, inasmuch as it uses the same one-roll system as does combat. But nobody wants to keep all those codes straight. Sigh.

This is another area where The Mountain Witch Trust mechanic would perhaps have proven useful.
 
From the Paranoia product range page:

Jul 2008
Big Book of Bots

Aug 2008
Alpha Complex Nights 2
Mandatory Mission Pack
The Thin Green Line

Of course, this being Mongoose, bless their little Swindonian hearts, this schedule is going to be complete tripe, but oooh, looks like two more mission collections as well as the Vulture Squadron supplement!
 
Where did you get bat's eyelashes from, citizen? Have you been in the Outdoors or something? Rooting around caves in the *shudder* Underplex? Please report immediately to the nearest Termination Booth for a full, friendly and free debriefing session...
 
I like Matthew's answer better, BUT, since Paul out-clearances me...

*runs down the hall and jumps in a booth*

The tingle means it's wor-----*THUD*
 
PARANOIA in space... now, which supplement did I see that in...? Oh yeah, 'Brave New Complex'. Guess we better get that one sorted quick...

...in the meantime, why not run 'Clones in Space'.

PaulB
 
Danforth said:
From the Paranoia product range page:

Jul 2008
Big Book of Bots

Aug 2008
Alpha Complex Nights 2, Mandatory Mission Pack, The Thin Green Line

Of course, this being Mongoose, bless their little Swindonian hearts, this schedule is going to be complete tripe

Yep :D October for all those now...

Makes me wander what "preparations for Paranoia's 25th Anniversary next year" as mentioned on the Planet Mongoose blog are going to consist of. I'm sure they'll be lovely, but will they be delayed till the 26th anniversary?
 
Danforth said:
Yep :D October for all those now...

Makes me wander what "preparations for Paranoia's 25th Anniversary next year" as mentioned on the Planet Mongoose blog are going to consist of. I'm sure they'll be lovely, but will they be delayed till the 26th anniversary?

Hi guys,

Those books are currently completed, and are just waiting for some cover art - as soon as that is in, they will be off to print!

As for the 25th celebrations. . . yes, we have something special planned :)
 
Zach-O-RLY said:
How can we, as loyal citizens of Alpha, get involved? :)

Copy that. I actually only live a few miles away from Mongoose Towers; I'll happily do proofreading and layout to help things along ;-D
 
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