Fed New Jersey BC

tlee33 said:
Does the New Jersey class Battlecruiser in the Fleet Update replace the version in the rulebook?

I believe it is in playtest status, but that it is to replace the New Jersey. Note the new Shock Trait and how that work (at the bottom of page 16 of Fleet Update 1)
 
I have a hard time believing the BCJ is worth 220 and the Gettysburg 230. Even if the BCJ bumps back to the proper 240, the CB's need to be 220-225.
 
Yup.

The points costs seem to get a bit funny there.

The Constitution is 180

Lexington Command cruiser is 205.

The New Jersey is 220.

The Gettysburg is 230.

The Bismarck/Kirov is 240.

I would suggest the following:

Constitution -180
Lexington - 205
Gettysburg - 220 or 225.
New Jersey - 230 or 235
Kirov 240

With the New Jersey as it is now, able to fire all 6 photons in one turn, I'm not sure it is worth less than the Kirov. Shock is a pain, but easily worth paying the price to fire all six in one go, particularly overloaded.

The Gettysburg is definitely worth less than the New Jersey, as even if the New Jersey never fires it's two extra photons, it still has 30 shields (thus rolling 3d6 for Boost Energy to Shields) to the Gettysburgs 28 and has two extra marines.

However the Gettysburg should definitely be more expensive than the Lexington with a decent sized gap because it is so much better than the Lexington.
 
The value of Shock is open to question (and playtest!), and I think it could go either way - players may take the risk, or they may treat it like HET and try it only when necessary.

I suspect (and have done since it was first statted) that the Gettysburg is over-priced. There were several things we wanted to do with this ship to 'funk it up' (like give it Command +2) but they just could not be justified by the SFU.

Happy to hear comments on this.
 
Agreed - at present that the New Jersey is simply superior to the Gettysberg but is 10pts cheaper which I assumed was an error?

It gets +2 shields, 2 extra shuttles and 2 extra Marines (even with ignoring the potential ability to fire 2 extra Photons at some cost),

Note: Ben also makes a very good point that 30 shields also has a inheriant advanatge over 28 due to the Boost shields rules.

Command +2 would be a fun option and differentiate it from other similar vessels....

Also Shock needs to be in italics as does Unique otherwise both negative traits can be lost!(There is also a typo on the Gettsyberg that says Troops rather than Marines)
 
I would LOVE to see Command +2 on the Gettysburg, even if it cost a few more points than current.

I also agree with the above comments on points.
 
All depends upon what Command in ACTA is based upon in the SFU - if its F&E command ratings then its easy to draw a line and see where it sits compared to other vessels. Equally if its the number of control spaces or control spaces of a specific type (eg Flag bridge) again its easy to draw a line and decide.

Personally I would like to see more variation in Command Stat, everything is +1 and it seems a little too homogenous for my liking. There's considerable variation in amount of flag bridge and F&E command value, all of which give grounds for tweaking Command Values.

I've also wondered what gives a ship 'Enhanced Bridge' as a stat - havent worked that out yet, but equally haven't sat down with the parent SSDs and looked. It might be justifiable that any ship eligible for Command (which seems to be a fairly binary switch at the mo with the Mars having +2 but not a lot else) and also has Enhance Bridge gets Command +2 rather than +1.....that gives the Enhanced Bridge a bit more of a tactical use than it has at the moment where it mostly seems to be a Campaign thing with use tactically only if you start using variable crew skill.
 
I posted about the points value iss in another thread as well. The Federation New Jersey Class BC is simply better than the Gettysburg CB. Why is it valued lower?
 
How about something along the lines of the old Dilgar Pentacon leaders so that if used in a squadron (which helps promote its use in fleet actions as a C+C vessel) it gives a +1 bonus to the CQ checks of other ships in its squadron?
 
Lawdog1700 said:
I posted about the points value iss in another thread as well. The Federation New Jersey Class BC is simply better than the Gettysburg CB. Why is it valued lower?

Have to agree somethings out of whack - I assume there were no changes in points from the change in rules. However, if you fly the BCJ so as to ignore shock (never fire more than 4 Photons per turn) you have for 10 points less - +2 Shields, +2 shuttles, +2 Marines - woop de do on the marines and shuttles but those 2 extra shields mean an extra dice on Boost shields - thats big, plus you get the option of firing 2 photons in the turn you reload the rest should you wish. Thats all better than the Gettysburg before the option of a 6 photon overload smackdown for taking a crit. Whether its one too high or the other too low - no idea.
 
Myrm said:
Lawdog1700 said:
I posted about the points value iss in another thread as well. The Federation New Jersey Class BC is simply better than the Gettysburg CB. Why is it valued lower?

Have to agree somethings out of whack - I assume there were no changes in points from the change in rules. However, if you fly the BCJ so as to ignore shock (never fire more than 4 Photons per turn) you have for 10 points less - +2 Shields, +2 shuttles, +2 Marines - woop de do on the marines and shuttles but those 2 extra shields mean an extra dice on Boost shields - thats big, plus you get the option of firing 2 photons in the turn you reload the rest should you wish. Thats all better than the Gettysburg before the option of a 6 photon overload smackdown for taking a crit. Whether its one too high or the other too low - no idea.

I think it's both. The Gettysburg is better than a Lexington but 25 points better, no. And the BCJ at 220 is freaking wonderful as a Fed player, so wonderful that nobody in their right mind is ever going to take either a Lexington or a Gettysburg unless they simply can't scrape up 15 points.
 
Command +2 can't be justified on the Gettysburg, but might be interesting on a Battleship.

You might give it enhanced bridge as standard. I'm not sure where the enhanced bridge thing has come from, but it might help differentiate it from the Lexington.

I'm not sure what changes you could make to it that wouldn't go against the source, apart from amending the points slightly as I described above.
 
Enhanced Bridge might work as a means of showing the class' technogical evolution towards the Vincennes-class CX. (it wouldn't represent any first-generation X-tech just yet, but perhaps show more incremental steps set in place prior to that next great leap forward.)

I still think the CB should "only" have Damage: 32/11, though; it doesn't have the same bulk as a BC, and keeping it at the same level as the CA and CC would make statting a CX that bit neater if and when the time comes for one to hit the spotlight.
 
Enhanced Bridge is a bit of a Meh trait - is useful in campaign games but has very little value in pick up or tournament games.

Command +2 would have been a good and interesting trait but oh well...........

Doesn;t the Battleship already have higher Command?
 
Has the order of CQ resolution been addressed yet? I've just realised that Enhanced Bridge may allow you to sit in a dust cloud and effectively ignore the associated CQ penalty.

...
Yeah, Enhanced Bridge is still a bit "meh".
 
Zarathustra Suicune said:
Might it be an idea to just swap there pts around?

Seems like a good first step although the BCJ got pushed back to 240 in one of the errata's and that was before the 6 torpedo shock thing although that may not add any additional value, it certainly isn't a deduction in points.
 
A good question is whether a New Jersey that can fire all 6 photons in a turn is worth more than a Kirov. And whether a Bismarck is different enough in game terms to be 5 points different to a Kirov.
 
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