FA break down?!

[DK]

Pleas help me understand this.

Breaking Down Fleet Allocation Points
As well as using the Fleet Allocation table above, you can use a single Fleet Allocation Point to buy ships of multiple Priority Levels, as shown on the table below.

You can keep splitting a Fleet Allocation Point as many times as you like, but you may only ever split one of these smaller Fleet Allocation Points down further.

You cannot therefore split a War level point to get two Battle level points, and then split both of these into four Raid level points, in order to get more ships than would otherwise be allowed. You could, however, just split one of the new Battle level points.

Fleet Allocation Point Breakdowns

1 Armageddon point buys one of the following:
2 War
1 War, 2 Battle
1 War, 1 Battle, 2 Raid
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 2 Skirmish
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 3 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 3 Skirmish
1 War, 1 Battle, 2 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 5 Patrol
1 War, 3 Raid
1 War, 2 Raid, 2 Skirmish
1 War, 2 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 2 Raid, 3 Patrol
1 War, 5 Skirmish
1 War, 4 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 8 Patrol
3 Battle
etc..

When you can only spilt on of the two points how the H*** can you get 3 battle points out of it? Or 3 anything fore that matter shouldn't it be max 1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol??

 

[Triggy]

The simple answer is that you're not splitting an FAP that has already been split, you're splitting a single FAP into three. This isn't a great deal usually but it does at least allow you to do it at all. Usually it is much better to go for one War FAP and two Battle FAP but this isn't always the case (particularly in a campaign).

 

[Burger]

you're splitting a single FAP into three. This isn't a great deal usually but it does at least allow you to do it at all. Usually it is much better to go for one War FAP and two Battle FAP but this isn't always the case (particularly in a campaign).

Thats P&P
Standard 2e, you can split 1 Arma into 4 battle which is a great bargain, usually better than 1 War plus 2 battle.

 

[Triggy]

you're splitting a single FAP into three. This isn't a great deal usually but it does at least allow you to do it at all. Usually it is much better to go for one War FAP and two Battle FAP but this isn't always the case (particularly in a campaign).

Thats P&P
Standard 2e, you can split 1 Arma into 4 battle which is a great bargain, usually better than 1 War plus 2 battle.

You do me more credit than I deserve in this case! In this example I was actually not thinking at all and only looking and DK's example of the splits

 

[DK]

Isn't this "You can keep splitting a Fleet Allocation Point as many times as you like, but you may only ever split one of these smaller Fleet Allocation Points down further" in the 2ed book to?

 

[Burger]

Ah yes, re-reading the original post I see the splits are actually the Armageddon (1e) splits... most threads on this forum are assumed to be talking about 2e unless you specify otherwise

Isn't this "You can keep splitting a Fleet Allocation Point as many times as you like, but you may only ever split one of these smaller Fleet Allocation Points down further" in the 2ed book to?

Yes... but the numbers changed, and the rules are a bit different.

1e: you can split 1 Arma into 3 Battle, and re-split one of those anyhow you like: either 2 Raid, 3 Skirmish or 6 Patrol. You can then re-split one of the new smaller points as well, etc. So your 1 Arma could for example, yield 2 Battle, 2 Skirmish and 2 Patrol.

2e: you can split 1 Arma into 4 Battle, and re-split one of those into 2 Raid. You cannot "skip" a level, so you can't re-split one of those battle into 4 Skirmish, it must be 2 Raid. You can then re-split one of those into 2 Skirmish, etc.

 

[DK]

2e: you can split 1 Arma into 4 Battle, and re-split one of those into 2 Raid. You cannot "skip" a level, so you can't re-split one of those battle into 4 Skirmish, it must be 2 Raid. You can then re-split one of those into 2 Skirmish, etc.

This is what I don't understand. Should 1arma not be split to 2war -> 1war and 2 battle?

 

[AdrianH]

2e: you can split 1 Arma directly into 8 Raid, so it doesn't really matter that you can't split it into 4 Battle and then split each of them into 2 Raid. However you do lose out if you want to convert the whole Arma point into Skirmish or Patrol points. The idea is to try to reduce the effect of swarms of small ships; if the scenario is at a high level, you're encouraged to take high level ships. It didn't work very well, which is why the P&P breakdown list is closer to the Armageddon one.

As for the table listing 1 Arma splitting to 1 War + 2 Battle; it's saving space by only listing final results, not the full calculation to get those results. It's long enough just listing all the possible combinations without also listing how they're achieved.

 

[Burger]

Breaking Down Fleet Allocation Points
As well as using the Fleet Allocation table above

See the table "above"
After you use one of those splits, you can re-split one of the resulting FAPs. Therefore 1 Arma can initially go into 4 Battle or 8 Raid or 12 Skirmish (as shown on the table), and then you can re-split one of them further.

 

[DK]

so if I split 1 war to 4 battle I can then only split one of thoes, giving me ex. 3 battle and 2 raid?

 

[katadder]

correct, although you can then split the raid further into 2 skirmish and one raid.
basically once you start splitting down you may only ever exchange one ship for 2 of the level below (from whatever point you start from).

 

[Burger]

basically once you start splitting down you may only ever exchange one ship for 2 of the level below (from whatever point you start from).

In 2e, that is.
In 1e (Armageddon) you can re-split using any of the splits in the table, for example 1 Arma -> 3 battle, then re-split 1 Battle -> 6 Patrol.

 

[DK]

basically once you start splitting down you may only ever exchange one ship for 2 of the level below (from whatever point you start from).

So as long as I start by useing the table im good?

 

[Burger]

If using 2e, then yes, start with the table, only re-split one point, and re-splitting can only yield 2 of the below PL.

If using 1e, start with the table, only re-split one point, but this re-split can yield any of the splits from the table.

It is quite complicated to get used ot, that is why in 2e they just listed all the possible splits!

 

[DK]

So using 2ed.

5war gives me;
one Excalibur
one Warlock
two Marathons
three Delphi's
two chronos

?

 

[katadder]

yep sounds about right.

 

[H]

So using 2ed.

5war gives me;
one Excalibur
one Warlock
two Marathons
three Delphi's
two chronos

?

sounds ok, but unless your opponent has gone with a similarly top heavy fleet, you could be in for a bit of a beating

 

[Burger]

3 Delphi, looks like you're playing against Minbari. So he should have a fairly top-heavy fleet too.

If you're not playing Minbari or don't know what your opponent is playing then you'll probably want to reconsider having so many scouts...

 

[DK]

I'm thinking about a firebolt heavy list with scout rerolls and anti stealth.

But the list above was just a thinking example.