[Elric] - Dragon Pacts: Core Rulebook vs. Bright Shadows

Kamelion

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Another rules question... :)

The core rulebook for Elric of Melnibone outlines a method for forming a pact with a dragon on page 143 (a period of training, instruction and dream-communion that results in a pact equal to POW+CHA.) There is no mention of dedicating POW to the Pact, so I presume your pact is just equal to your full POW+CHA scores, with no compulsions or gifts.

Page 25 of Bright Shadows lists an alternate method of gaining a dragon pact, through the cult of Haashaastaak. With this method, I understand that you form a pact as normal, except it results in Pact (Dragons), not Pact (Haashaastaak). I guess that you have to dedicate POW as with any normal pact and take a compulsion (and gift if you want one.)

So my question is just to check that I'm understanding these two methods correctly. They seem to present two different ways of gaining Pact (Dragons), one directly (in the core book) and another through an intermediary agent (Haashaastaak, from Bright Shadows.) Have I understood this correctly? The version from Bright Shadows doesn't replace the earlier method from the core book, does it?

Also, there is no note in Bright Shadows about a high Pact (Dragons) score granting the right to take the title Dyvim. I'd presume that this honorofic is only open to those who bond themselves directly with the dragons, without use of an intermediary like Haashaastaak. Right?

I have to say that - assuming I understand it correctly - that I really like the idea of varying methods of bonding with dragons, one using ancient pacts with the Beast Lords, and another using dream couches and instruction. I'm a big fan of cults and the skills that they teach, but also like the idea that there are ways to get these secrets without dedicating your soul to higher powers. It was cool to note that Tanglebones, while being a skilled sorcerer, has no Pact with any higher powers. Very neat.
 
There's a difference between being a Dragon Prince in Melnibone (and thus able to ride a dragon) and being an actual member of the Cult of Dragons. I see the later as being those Dragon Riders who live their lives for their reptiles; caring for them while they slumber, making sure the Dragon Caves are the right temperature, ensuring that dragon eggs are tended well.

The method for forming the Dragon Pact through the Lord of Lizards as mentioned in Bright Shadows is not meant to replace the one in the main rulebook. It represents developing a relationship with a god, as opposed to one with a particular dragon.

Members of the cult that have the Pact (Dragon) skill earned in this manner are also eligible for the title of Dyvim, as per the normal rules in the main Elric book.

As for your point about gaining magical knowledge without dedication to a god, while it is possible, it should be exceedingly rare, over and above the rarity of being a sorcerer.
 
Charles Green said:
There's a difference between being a Dragon Prince in Melnibone (and thus able to ride a dragon) and being an actual member of the Cult of Dragons. I see the later as being those Dragon Riders who live their lives for their reptiles; caring for them while they slumber, making sure the Dragon Caves are the right temperature, ensuring that dragon eggs are tended well.

The method for forming the Dragon Pact through the Lord of Lizards as mentioned in Bright Shadows is not meant to replace the one in the main rulebook. It represents developing a relationship with a god, as opposed to one with a particular dragon.
Cool - that's the impression I had from the material. I particularly like the distinction between a Dragon Prince and a member of the Cult of Dragons. It makes for a nice level of diversity among those who frequent the dragon caves.

Charles Green said:
Members of the cult that have the Pact (Dragon) skill earned in this manner are also eligible for the title of Dyvim, as per the normal rules in the main Elric book.
Ah, good to know. Thanks.

Charles Green said:
As for your point about gaining magical knowledge without dedication to a god, while it is possible, it should be exceedingly rare, over and above the rarity of being a sorcerer.
Absolutely. The main rulebook is very explicit in this regard. It was just neat to see it in action with old Tanglebones :).
 
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