Dogfights

[Anbar]

if a dogfight is a draw do you re-run the dogfight that same time, or do you wait until the next Turn?

If there are 2 drazi fights versus 2 EA fighters, the Drazi declares a dogfight against a single Aurora with his other drazi flight in support. It results in a draw.

The aurora declares his dogfight against the drazi, does the drazi get the bonus of the supporting flight *again*?

 

[Da Boss]

Each fighter dogfights once unless it has been already destroyed so in your example:

So IIRC it goes like this:

Drazi Ftr A (having won iniatitive) initiates a dog fight against Aurora A, supported by Drazi Ftr B, Aurora A is supported by his wingman Aurora B

This a draw, consequently Aurora A initiates a dogfight, supported again by his wingman against Drazi Ftr A, in turn supported by Aurora B

Neither Ftr B or Aurora B can iniate dogfights as they supported....

Iniaitive in dogfights can be extremely important as it allows that player to choose the primary target which may have quite a different dogfight rating to its escort/wingman - for example Minbari flyers are much easier to deal with than Nials.....

hope this helps

 

[Anbar]

yup, thanks muchly

 

[Burger]

But each player can choose to arrange his dogfights as he wishes. So winning initiative, Drazi declares that his ftr A supported by B, attacks EA ftr C. EA player declares that D will support him. Then in the return round, the EA player might declare that C attacks A and D attacks B, so there are 2 dogfights with no supporting. Dogfights are not necessarily "symmetrical" (although they usually are since draws are relatively rare anyway).

 

[AdrianH]

What happens if the fighters are staggered like this?

DA.DB
.EA.EB

If I understand the rules correctly, Drazi A can attack Earth A with Drazi B in support. Earth B can not support because it's not in contact with the attacking fighter. If the result is a draw then Earth B can attack Drazi B, and Drazi A can't support because it's not in contact with the attacking fighter. (Can Earth A support, or is it not allowed because it was attacked during the Drazi fighter attack phase?)

 

[Burger]

If I understand the rules correctly, Drazi A can attack Earth A with Drazi B in support. Earth B can not support because it's not in contact with the attacking fighter. If the result is a draw then Earth B can attack Drazi B, and Drazi A can't support because it's not in contact with the attacking fighter.

Yes that's right by the rules as written. But most people don't play it that way just because it's a bit of an arse.

(Can Earth A support, or is it not allowed because it was attacked during the Drazi fighter attack phase?)

Earth A can support, being attacked (or attacker) during the previous dogfight round does not matter.

Interestingly a flight can support multiple dogfights in the same round, so for example:
DA.DB.DC
. EA EB

If DA attacks EA and DC attacks EB, then DB can support in both.

 

[Anbar]

so once a supporter, always a supporter (in that fill round).

Does a supporting flight then have to be in contact with the attacked flight, or in contact with the attacking flight, or both?

 

[Democratus]

The dogfight rules in the 2nd Edition rulebook leave much to be desired.

We have simply gone with counting up all the fighters in any "scrum" and allow any or all of them to serve as support for any other fighter in the same pile so long as they are touching either the dogfight initiator or the dogfight defender.

 

[Burger]

A supporting flight must be in contact with the enemy fighter. For attacker, this means supporters must be in contact with the attacked flight. For defender, a supporter must be in contact with the initial attacking flight.

Much easier to do as Democratus, just add +1 for all flights in the scrum. Or do what is the most obviously common sense: pair them off and any leftovers add +1 to any dogfight that it is reasonable for them to support.