Deneb Sector
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Egil Skallagrimsson
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Liam Devlin
Mongoose
Egil Skallagrimsson said:
Thank you Mssr Skalligrimsson,
High praise & word fame!
AFAIK, no it isn't in the queue; so yes, I am extrapolating "online" here the actual possibilities based on the 1112 data of what we know coupled with the GDW-TNE 1201 Regency Sourcebook that delves in a lot of what was corrected by the Norris Reforms. I have my own musings & ideas (as any of us here do), and if what I pose here online gives thought to do better, so be it!
One of the aspects of the corruption enmired in Deneb as seen in the RSB was that with the Representative reforms, many of the *elections* for planetary reps wound up not changing the planetary government (Type A) at all. So some (most) of these hive-world ultra-Hi-pop worlds didn't see much change, except to get an Amber-zoned rating (nice retro-fix to the obvious, eh?)
Liam Devlin
Mongoose
Why the many mega-pop worlds exist in Deneb (Devlin's Thesis)
Out-of-game
The clearest understanding of the existence of 9 worlds with populations in the 10's of billions (Pop A) in Deneb is simple on two hands: The first was shoddy work and Sunbane generated UWP's; the second was looking ahead for the possibility of these worlds being used as a reverse immigration wave to repopulate the Shattered Imperium (Megatraveller/ post 5th-FW era) with.
In-game
Deneb was settled around the 100's Third Imperial, as Corridor Sector had been settled prior & was named in 140 (MgT-Library Data). It was a beachhead Sector after fighting/ clearing off Vargr interlopers to gain access to the mostly unsettled worlds of the Marches (150 thru 165 contact by IISS to Sworld Worlders & Darrians--MgT Aliens: Darrians). Maps of pre-1st FW in Aliens: Zhodani reveal that by the 570's Deneb was already established as a Sector.
So we may presume Deneb was "settled" between 100-450 TI, and rapidly. The colonization effort to take the marches would take industrial backup, people, and ships to accomplish. At some point, the immigrants from around the rest of the Imperium would 'dry up', so these factory-wrought worlds that spearheaded into Deneb Sector would also have the ability to reproduce their factories, along with workers, and be shipped to likely worlds to exploit in the Marches.
This plan gets interuppted by the Zhodani in the 1st & 2nd FW, and the Imperial Civil War & Barracks Emperors--the lack of clear guidance and the need to slow down and assess the Zhodani halts this grand immigration-factory & worker schematic. But the worlds that remained in Imperial hands needed to get further along & more self sufficient.
Here is where the governments to accomplish this goal mayhaps fell to being led by the Charismatic Dictatorships (ASHASI, ASKIGAAK, LILAD, VINCENNES, & BORLUND); the Technician-Priest Theocracy of DENEB, and the Non-Charismatic Dictatorship of GIIKUSU, the Civil Service Bureau govt of PIKHA, and Impersonal Bureacracy of BEACON seem to be the singular exclsuions to this trend.
Deals made with the Imperial megacorporations assured jobs to these populaion-burgeoning worlds, and Tukera Shipping granted them the means to move their manufactured goods off-world to the Galactic market place, and brought with them the tax revenues to their governments. Yet while the *awaited* day to ship off new colonies of workers complete with their factories dimmed, some of these dictatorships saw a way to maintain and sustain their kickbacks, their license to tax and spend, and keep their populations essentially captive worker-bees, and allowed only E-class downports to be built (ASHASI, ASKIGAAK, BORLUND, & GIIKUSU).
Several other High-Population worlds like ENDUP did similarly, seeing the mass-colonization craze die down in the uneasy 350-year peace that ensued. As long as their goods made it to market and they kept their populations employed and busy, they had more or less a free hand to abuse their human rights and liberties (ENDUP/LUCIFER--RSB), and the Imperial Nobility could wink away the ill deeds of their rulers towards their people.
Granted, several worlds notably PIKHA & VINCENNES had law levels that were less strenuous on liberty and freedom of thought than the others (LL-6), and VINCENNES & DENEB offered careers outside of their worlds with Imperial Navy & Imperial Marine recruitment., but the trend of the others was set.
Out-of-game
The clearest understanding of the existence of 9 worlds with populations in the 10's of billions (Pop A) in Deneb is simple on two hands: The first was shoddy work and Sunbane generated UWP's; the second was looking ahead for the possibility of these worlds being used as a reverse immigration wave to repopulate the Shattered Imperium (Megatraveller/ post 5th-FW era) with.
In-game
Deneb was settled around the 100's Third Imperial, as Corridor Sector had been settled prior & was named in 140 (MgT-Library Data). It was a beachhead Sector after fighting/ clearing off Vargr interlopers to gain access to the mostly unsettled worlds of the Marches (150 thru 165 contact by IISS to Sworld Worlders & Darrians--MgT Aliens: Darrians). Maps of pre-1st FW in Aliens: Zhodani reveal that by the 570's Deneb was already established as a Sector.
So we may presume Deneb was "settled" between 100-450 TI, and rapidly. The colonization effort to take the marches would take industrial backup, people, and ships to accomplish. At some point, the immigrants from around the rest of the Imperium would 'dry up', so these factory-wrought worlds that spearheaded into Deneb Sector would also have the ability to reproduce their factories, along with workers, and be shipped to likely worlds to exploit in the Marches.
This plan gets interuppted by the Zhodani in the 1st & 2nd FW, and the Imperial Civil War & Barracks Emperors--the lack of clear guidance and the need to slow down and assess the Zhodani halts this grand immigration-factory & worker schematic. But the worlds that remained in Imperial hands needed to get further along & more self sufficient.
Here is where the governments to accomplish this goal mayhaps fell to being led by the Charismatic Dictatorships (ASHASI, ASKIGAAK, LILAD, VINCENNES, & BORLUND); the Technician-Priest Theocracy of DENEB, and the Non-Charismatic Dictatorship of GIIKUSU, the Civil Service Bureau govt of PIKHA, and Impersonal Bureacracy of BEACON seem to be the singular exclsuions to this trend.
Deals made with the Imperial megacorporations assured jobs to these populaion-burgeoning worlds, and Tukera Shipping granted them the means to move their manufactured goods off-world to the Galactic market place, and brought with them the tax revenues to their governments. Yet while the *awaited* day to ship off new colonies of workers complete with their factories dimmed, some of these dictatorships saw a way to maintain and sustain their kickbacks, their license to tax and spend, and keep their populations essentially captive worker-bees, and allowed only E-class downports to be built (ASHASI, ASKIGAAK, BORLUND, & GIIKUSU).
Several other High-Population worlds like ENDUP did similarly, seeing the mass-colonization craze die down in the uneasy 350-year peace that ensued. As long as their goods made it to market and they kept their populations employed and busy, they had more or less a free hand to abuse their human rights and liberties (ENDUP/LUCIFER--RSB), and the Imperial Nobility could wink away the ill deeds of their rulers towards their people.
Granted, several worlds notably PIKHA & VINCENNES had law levels that were less strenuous on liberty and freedom of thought than the others (LL-6), and VINCENNES & DENEB offered careers outside of their worlds with Imperial Navy & Imperial Marine recruitment., but the trend of the others was set.
GypsyComet
Emperor Mongoose
Sunbane was one of the earliest hosts of the Traveller Mailing List (TML), and also hosted the sector files, often generated in a hurry, that were used in the CT Imperial Atlas. The files were generated by a mixed bag of GDW and DGP, who were pushing for the bigger picture that would eventually become the setting of MegaTraveller. More than a few sectors were generated under flawed algorithms (a problem that plagues even semi-official and fan-built sectors, so don't go throwing stones just yet) or blanket "fringe" or "core" modifiers that have, when you generate several hundred worlds, some unanticipated side effects.
Sunbane and GEnie were the original archive sites for those sectors, but for the 35 sectors that appeared in the Atlas, these sites were *just* archives.
Liam Devlin
Mongoose
GypsyComet said:
This I know, Mssr GC.
Sunbane & Genii were what was; if one was redoing the Sector, those can be used as a baseline certainly. I'm not knocking them so much as I am saying, we can do better now, if we can.
GypsyComet
Emperor Mongoose
It was your characterization of the data as "Sunbane generated" that I was addressing. "The Sunbane data" has been thrown around as a label for so long that people are in danger of forgetting what it really means.
There are also sectors in the Sunbane data that need a LOT more help than Deneb does.
There are also sectors in the Sunbane data that need a LOT more help than Deneb does.
Liam Devlin
Mongoose
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Liam Devlin
Mongoose
GypsyComet said:
True to the first; and True (even moreso) to the second sir.
Liam Devlin
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Egil Skallagrimsson
Mongoose
AndrewW said:
Yes, I hope it does reappear, partly because I am becoming a bit of a completist and would like to see all the Domain of Deneb, but mainly because it looks like a really interesting sector to set adventures in.
Can someone with MgT contacts give them a shove?
Egil
Liam Devlin
Mongoose
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Egil Skallagrimsson said:
Maybe coincidentally, Deneb is back in the queue as of this week. Matthew gave me the green light a few days ago, so I'm the writer until he says I'm not.
I don't know what was going on with it previously, since there doesn't seem to have been an author available, or perhaps the author that was assigned bowed out fairly quickly.
Liam Devlin
Mongoose
rje said:
Congratulations Mssr rje!
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Liam Devlin
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Million Ss-Notes:
The 1117 UWP's were used, but in retrograde fashion to establish which worlds were Imperial before the Vargr Invasion on the heels of Strephon's Assassination in 1116. When in doubt, I went by the planet's name, and backstopped it with GDW's RSB's UWP data.
The 1117 UWP's were used, but in retrograde fashion to establish which worlds were Imperial before the Vargr Invasion on the heels of Strephon's Assassination in 1116. When in doubt, I went by the planet's name, and backstopped it with GDW's RSB's UWP data.
Liam Devlin
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