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Here it is on rulesmastersskavendan said:Burger said:
Are we utterly sure on this? Or should we let you 2 fight it out
Well making the White Star boresighted was the only reason I would ever have allowed the 2nd AD. Sure 1AD is annoying as you miss half of the time but 2AD is too powerful without restriction.Locutus9956 said:Cant agree about CBD, its not really that much better on whitestars than any other ship its just that theyve got so many other ways of avoiding damage that it can be a tad annoying
The possible scout function I think is a perfectly fair trade off for the nial flight.
A benefit to CAF, well it always had it it just had to line up a turn in advance but to be honest I personally dont see that as a problem still.
The 2nd AD. Now HERE I agree with you. Ive long been in favour of upping the Whitestars Beam potency BUT ALSO MAKING IT BORESIGHT. Just upping its potency just makes the ship a tad too good potentially (but then again most ships in 2nd ed have been upgunned a bit so I wouldnt say its that bad still...)
Out of curiosity what would you consider your '10 most broken ships' (exlcuding the gaim who are being redsigned)
It's explicit in the main rulebook where it lists the order that you use Dodge, Interceptors, etc. No need for a Rulesmasters ruling!Burger said:Here it is on rulesmastersskavendan said:Burger said:
Are we utterly sure on this? Or should we let you 2 fight it out
lastbesthope
Mongoose
I think that rulesmasters discussion predates the 2E rulebook order list though.
LBH
LBH
Greg Smith
Mongoose
Triggy said:
I was quite happy with the extra AD since the 50% miss chance was pretty poor.
Tyrian2005
Mongoose
skirmish choice: Torotha
battle choice: Tinashi
battle choice: Tinashi
Triggy said:
Unfortunately, it does not seem to be. Because I grabbed my rulebook and was going to use that as an argument in my favour.
pg 25
[snip]
ship attacks
....roll attack dice
....dodges
....interceptors
....shields
....roll on attack table
....GEG
....critical hits
....CBD
Adaptive Armour is not mentioned.
However, it was played the way I stated it at the Mavencon tournament.
The current whitestar is too much...
first issue is of course that defenses multiply out an any single ship... more layers the more angry you opponent. Just too many opportunities to roll well, with the fighter-interceptor thing, dodge and CBD every point of damage going in has a pretty good chance of going away, and what's left gets halved. Anyone know the number of AD interceptable you have to throw before you can expect to get to one damage? Two? (assuming the fighter will only stop two, think it's twelve to get two past the dodge component... but drop that back, something like 36 regular AD to get two damage onto the star?) And mind you, this assumes you are even able to be attacked, given your maneuver advantages.
second issue is the firepower... yes a 1 AD beam was annoying at times, and now that it's not CAFable it is even more so.... but you have to pay for the uber survivability somehow. At least with the bore sighted ship that was sent to us to look at, you gave up some of your defense (maneuver) to get your best shot. Given the WS was one of the best ship under the old rules and it got two defense upgrades (fighter-interceptor and CBD, which is much more useful on a ship that takes very little damage to start with) the firepower upgrade was in no way justifiable. You wanted to make it more reliable so more fun to play, fine... pay for it somehow. I wanted my Drazi to be more fun to play... they gave me dodge but I had to pay for it with lower hull. I did get a firepower increase, but mild compared to doubling the main gun.
Remember that folks... it wasn't a 1 AD upgrade, it was doubling the main gun, with the best traits in the game bar quad, and the best arc in the game. On a ship that was already upgraded...
Ripple
first issue is of course that defenses multiply out an any single ship... more layers the more angry you opponent. Just too many opportunities to roll well, with the fighter-interceptor thing, dodge and CBD every point of damage going in has a pretty good chance of going away, and what's left gets halved. Anyone know the number of AD interceptable you have to throw before you can expect to get to one damage? Two? (assuming the fighter will only stop two, think it's twelve to get two past the dodge component... but drop that back, something like 36 regular AD to get two damage onto the star?) And mind you, this assumes you are even able to be attacked, given your maneuver advantages.
second issue is the firepower... yes a 1 AD beam was annoying at times, and now that it's not CAFable it is even more so.... but you have to pay for the uber survivability somehow. At least with the bore sighted ship that was sent to us to look at, you gave up some of your defense (maneuver) to get your best shot. Given the WS was one of the best ship under the old rules and it got two defense upgrades (fighter-interceptor and CBD, which is much more useful on a ship that takes very little damage to start with) the firepower upgrade was in no way justifiable. You wanted to make it more reliable so more fun to play, fine... pay for it somehow. I wanted my Drazi to be more fun to play... they gave me dodge but I had to pay for it with lower hull. I did get a firepower increase, but mild compared to doubling the main gun.
Remember that folks... it wasn't a 1 AD upgrade, it was doubling the main gun, with the best traits in the game bar quad, and the best arc in the game. On a ship that was already upgraded...
Ripple
