Dawn of a new Age of forumkind....
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Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Well said, RHoG. I agree completely.
abbot_amaury
Mongoose
Well the main part of the German ACTA players don't even have the 2ed ed. books yet. They are very upset anyway... :wink:Tolwyn said:
Cheers,
Hagen
dant164
Mongoose
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These are my own opinions' and my own beliefs you are happy to disagree i have no wish to cause an argument
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i have a somewhat different opinion as to the lack of 2e complaints, now don't get me wrong, i love 2e, my Vorlons are boosted amazingly and my lovely new psi-corp are fantastic, but I believe the shortage of 2e complaints is largely due to the fact that Armageddon somewhat widely disliked, so when the improved 2e came out everyone sang its praise because it meant the end of Armageddon.
These are my own opinions' and my own beliefs you are happy to disagree i have no wish to cause an argument
-Disclaimer-
i have a somewhat different opinion as to the lack of 2e complaints, now don't get me wrong, i love 2e, my Vorlons are boosted amazingly and my lovely new psi-corp are fantastic, but I believe the shortage of 2e complaints is largely due to the fact that Armageddon somewhat widely disliked, so when the improved 2e came out everyone sang its praise because it meant the end of Armageddon.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
There's certainly that aspect. Armageddon didn't really please anyone, and 2nd ed seems to have fixed many of the problems it caused. For myself I'm happy with what I see. My Centauri are looking much more like I want them to, the other fleets seem better too, and major rules changes are kept to a minimum. A fine second edition of a game, I'd say.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Right Hand of God said:
Easy young lesser spotted padewan, or I'll sick Ted Chang on to you :twisted:
LBH
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Tolwyn said:Regretably the main part of the German ACTA players are upset with the new rules and ships.
They say the new system is even more unbalanced then the old one. :roll:
wow in a country of 80 million you know the majority of ACTA players and can speak for them?! :shock:
Regretably there aren't this much ACTA Players in Germany at all, the community is just growning, but it will take time to gather enough players to have as muchas in other countries.
There are some who like the new system, but the largest part of them dislikes 2nd Ed.
Personally I like the 2nd Edition and I think Mongoose has done a great job.
There are some who like the new system, but the largest part of them dislikes 2nd Ed.
Personally I like the 2nd Edition and I think Mongoose has done a great job.
Davesaint - interesting list and I won't make any major comments other than a couple of small points as even if I disagree, they're still your opinions.
Abbai Milani - yeah is lost an AD but the beam is a lot better now as the old one was only AP, not SAP like most beams.
2-for-1 ships - you've listed every one of these ships as "concerns" - I'd suggest that under normal circumstances this may be the case but they give away full Patrol PL ship VPs each, even though you get two for the price of one. This means it has to be a powerful ship indeed to still be overpowered.
Abbai Milani - yeah is lost an AD but the beam is a lot better now as the old one was only AP, not SAP like most beams.
2-for-1 ships - you've listed every one of these ships as "concerns" - I'd suggest that under normal circumstances this may be the case but they give away full Patrol PL ship VPs each, even though you get two for the price of one. This means it has to be a powerful ship indeed to still be overpowered.
Lord David the Denied said:
well thats blatantly false. and what do you call saying all those ships is broken and blaming the playtesters anyway? its basically the same thing, peoples opinions. however majority are more than happy with 2e.
i said alot of the stuff davesaint has tested doesnt make sense and he cannot be using it right and we have even talked about it over PM and IM.
yes they only had 10days but it wasnt for a full playtest, it was for proofreading and finding anything obviously broken.
as Triggy pointed out another ship davesaint mentioned - the milani has nothing wrong with it as its beam actually got better.
again the 2fers have their weakness - they are easy kills and they give away alot of VPs again as Triggy pointed out.
I and other people will only rubbish comments that have no basis, like the examples given by triggy. its always our own opinion though, much as yours are your own and we both have the right to say that we think another persons views are untrue etc. yes I am a playtester but I am also a player too.
most people have said 2e is good, step in the right direction etc but then you see the odd one who has ago at stuff but like i said obviously doesnt use it right or hasnt given it chance.
On some points I do agree with dave, like the bimith is pretty screwed now from 1e. overall abbai did get hit by a nerf stick. but their drakh player doesnt think drakh are worth it now? dont see why not? ok they dont have AF, but then they have never needed it.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Blatantly false is it? We both know the truth of that, whatever you choose to admit or deny here.
nope cos i agree with some things people bring up (even agree with some of daves stuff apart from blaming us all for some stuff getting faster/more powerful), like i disagree with others. obviously LDTD i must disagree with most things you say so obviously you are unskilled, unintelligent and lazy 
but then i know this to be true anyway 
btw I am joking, I know LDTD likes to get abusive and cant take things when hes wrong (past experience on IM) etc so like i said joking
but then i know this to be true anyway btw I am joking, I know LDTD likes to get abusive and cant take things when hes wrong (past experience on IM) etc so like i said joking
Lets be honest, its near impossible to "balance" every ship in ACTA.
Hell every game system has similar problems.
Bottomline, if you don't like a ship's stats house rule.
If you feel the stats need to change, do some serious, organised and logged playtesting.
Then submit your evidence to the forum, its difficult to "disregard" evidence when its presented in such manner.
Its your game, do what you want with it.
Hell every game system has similar problems.
Bottomline, if you don't like a ship's stats house rule.
If you feel the stats need to change, do some serious, organised and logged playtesting.
Then submit your evidence to the forum, its difficult to "disregard" evidence when its presented in such manner.
Its your game, do what you want with it.
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
So much for a "New Age of Forumkind" guys :wink:
TenaciousB
Mongoose
All in all, I'm pretty happy with 2nd Ed. I know I was pretty vocal about the Dilgar (and Drakh) exclusions in Armageddon, but on a whole, I'm very happy with 2nd Ed! 
I recently played thePirv a 1 point Arma game - his Drakh v Psi-Corps. The Psi-Corps were victorious (only due to the fact I had some dubious fleet choices - more EA ships than I was allowed :lol: ), but it was a very good game indeed. Although now thePirv is thinking of doing away with his Drakh fleet as he feels they rely too much on their traits and thus too much of a finesse fleet, he is considering a Narn fleet, which will be very nice indeed, seeing as it'll be me that ends up painting them!
I like 2nd Ed so much, I can see me buying a few new fleets. I'm very tempted by an EA fleet, which would be nice considering I like the Psi-Corps, so for some games the 2 of them would work well. I am also very tempted to grab a Gaim fleet, mainly because I like the models.
To conclude, I think 2nd Ed is a success. As Jayraider said, all games come with their own problems and nothing is perfect, but I think that 2nd Ed has the potential for growth and expansion more so now that Armageddon is a thing of the past.
I recently played thePirv a 1 point Arma game - his Drakh v Psi-Corps. The Psi-Corps were victorious (only due to the fact I had some dubious fleet choices - more EA ships than I was allowed :lol: ), but it was a very good game indeed. Although now thePirv is thinking of doing away with his Drakh fleet as he feels they rely too much on their traits and thus too much of a finesse fleet, he is considering a Narn fleet, which will be very nice indeed, seeing as it'll be me that ends up painting them!
I like 2nd Ed so much, I can see me buying a few new fleets. I'm very tempted by an EA fleet, which would be nice considering I like the Psi-Corps, so for some games the 2 of them would work well. I am also very tempted to grab a Gaim fleet, mainly because I like the models.
To conclude, I think 2nd Ed is a success. As Jayraider said, all games come with their own problems and nothing is perfect, but I think that 2nd Ed has the potential for growth and expansion more so now that Armageddon is a thing of the past.
Captain Kremmen
Mongoose
Haven't played 2e very much yet, though i have VERY extensively gone through all the rules and ships on paper.
Largely speaking I like what I see. No major issues at all.
The shadows look as though they may be difficult to play, but as the Vorlons have got a good boost and I prefer them anyway I am fine with that.
Very good to see the Centauri armed with more appropriate weapons, and overjoyed to see the Vorchan and Demos fixed. They are an iconic model and one that deserves to be used more. I know i will now be building my Centauri fleet around them.
Heck even my useless Drazi look like they got a good sized boost!!!
Cpt K
Largely speaking I like what I see. No major issues at all.
The shadows look as though they may be difficult to play, but as the Vorlons have got a good boost and I prefer them anyway I am fine with that.
Very good to see the Centauri armed with more appropriate weapons, and overjoyed to see the Vorchan and Demos fixed. They are an iconic model and one that deserves to be used more. I know i will now be building my Centauri fleet around them.
Heck even my useless Drazi look like they got a good sized boost!!!
Cpt K
