Cults of Glorantha

[gran_orco]

Are there the cults of Aldrya, Mostal or Zorak Zoran, for exemple?

There are no non-human cults in CoG, although many of the draconic cults are derivations of the Dragonewt paths. The logical home for non-human cults are the Races volumes.

Yep, even Kyger Litor.

If you accept my opinion, I think that it is unforgivable. Zorak Zoran, Aldrya, Kyger Litor and Mostal are some of the most important gods of Glorantha, from my point of view. You should have included a simple resume of those cults. It is logic that those cults would be in races of Glorantha, but a simple resume with spells could have help us.
More books to buy, mongoose? :evil:

 

[Rasta]

Are there the cults of Aldrya, Mostal or Zorak Zoran, for exemple?

There are no non-human cults in CoG, although many of the draconic cults are derivations of the Dragonewt paths. The logical home for non-human cults are the Races volumes.

Yep, even Kyger Litor.

If you accept my opinion, I think that it is unforgivable. Zorak Zoran, Aldrya, Kyger Litor and Mostal are some of the most important gods of Glorantha, from my point of view. You should have included a simple resume of those cults. It is logic that those cults would be in races of Glorantha, but a simple resume with spells could have help us.
More books to buy, mongoose? :evil:

Loz said they were in the races book . . . .

I would argue that the human cults are far more important. Wouldn't you get the races book anyways if you think those races are important?

 

[gran_orco]

There are no non-human cults in CoG, although many of the draconic cults are derivations of the Dragonewt paths. The logical home for non-human cults are the Races volumes.

Yep, even Kyger Litor.

If you accept my opinion, I think that it is unforgivable. Zorak Zoran, Aldrya, Kyger Litor and Mostal are some of the most important gods of Glorantha, from my point of view. You should have included a simple resume of those cults. It is logic that those cults would be in races of Glorantha, but a simple resume with spells could have help us.
More books to buy, mongoose? :evil:

Loz said they were in the races book . . . .

I would argue that the human cults are far more important. Wouldn't you get the races book anyways if you think those races are important?

No, I wouldn't. I have purchased all the previous books of races (ducks, uz, aldryami, dragonuts and mostalis) of the first edition. This represents spending more money to update the first edition to mrq II.

 

[PhilHibbs]

I would argue that the human cults are far more important. Wouldn't you get the races book anyways if you think those races are important?

No, I wouldn't. I have purchased all the previous books of races (ducks, uz, aldryami, dragonuts and mostalis) of the first edition. This represents spending more money to update the first edition to mrq II.

Well, I didn't buy the First Edition books. You can't please everyone.

 

[Loz]

If you accept my opinion, I think that it is unforgivable. Zorak Zoran, Aldrya, Kyger Litor and Mostal are some of the most important gods of Glorantha, from my point of view. You should have included a simple resume of those cults. It is logic that those cults would be in races of Glorantha, but a simple resume with spells could have help us.

Aren't you being a bit harsh Gran? There are about a dozen cults that I had to leave out of CoG because there simply wasn't the space. The non-human races are covered in their appropriate place and I had to weigh-up very carefully what needed covering, what was covered elsewhere and what wasn't necessary for the bulk of adventurers. Its not a question of trying to make you buy more books; its a question of balancing the dozens and dozens of cults, including some new ones and trying to strike the right level of coverage.

A summary of the non-human cults, as you suggest, would have simply looked wrong in a book where every cult receives a great deal of detail. I would also have had to exclude some other, excellent cults to make the space and would haven risked being accused of unnecessary repetition.

So I'm sorry you feel disappointed, but I'm not making any apologies for the way CoG is either structured or the breadth of its content. There's only ever so much you can include in one place... I also have to write a book from the point of view of the widest possible audience - and that means, like it or not, the human cults. If the non-human cults weren't covered in Races of Glorantha already then I might have made some allowances; but they are, and that's why I handled things as I have done.

 

[gran_orco]

My intention never was to be harsh. I haven´t a large vocabulary and my sentences could seem drought, rude or unintentionally impolite (I have used 8 times the translator for this ).
If I have done a preorder of the book -and I am one of the firsts buyers, sure :roll: - is because I like what you did with RQ II and how did you structured it. You included a lot of rules and a lot of magical systems that was not included in the first edition of RQ, like sorcery, divine and spirit magic. You wanted to include a lot of material, like everytime.
I am sure that the CoG will be awesome, but I am doing an appreciation, like Lord High Munchkin. I am opining about the fact that you considered "better" a map, and two versions of humakt (and I am not criticising it) that Aldrya, for exemple. I think that "the widest possible audience" of Glorantha know that this world has the greater variety of races, much more than any other game. That is why I cannot conceive a Glorantha of only humans.
If I have elves, mostalis, uz, etc. in monster colisseum, I didn´t consider that the book entitled Cults of Glorantha could be Human Cults of Glorantha. You decided to do a "resume" of those creatures in MC and core rulebook, developing them on the races book. I think that this was a good idea, so I thought that you were going to continue this way with Cults of Glorantha. Vivamort cult occupies only one column in the Necromancy book. I like it, but if you think that it is unnecesary, I will trust you.
I am not disappointed with the book. I like having so many cults!
I am disappointed by the fact that my players are awaiting this book since the release of RQ II, and 3 of them are aldryami, 1 of them is orlanthi, another one of Vinga, and another is a hsunchen of Korgatsu, and there is no release date for a races vol. 2...
Just one question: Korgatsu is a human cult? :?
Mallia, Bagog (oh my god!), primal chaos, Thed... Where will we find them?

 

[JonGeere]

I'm very happy with the track taken by Loz and Mongoose in having human only cults in the new CoG.

MRQI edition for Dragonewts cults seem to be very similar to the 'up dated' version. Admittedly the troll cults have gone through a significant change in Races Vol 1, but this needed to be done as the first edition Uz book doesn't cut it for RQII. And who cares what happened to the ducks!

It would seem sensible to carry on cleaning up the non-human cults in their respective books and not having yet another version of said cults.

Nice maps would be handy though.

 

[PhilHibbs]

Mallia, Bagog (oh my god!), primal chaos, Thed... Where will we find them?

Good question! Were they written up anywhere for MRQ1?

As to the non-human cults, Races Book 1 covers everything I've needed - trolls and ducks cover the nonhumans that I've played in Glorantha, except for a baboon but he was a shaman and the basic rules cover that well enough. The Ducks section of Races is awexome, by the way. Loving it.

 

[Loz]

Gran, it was the word 'unforgivable' and the :evil: emoticon that alarmed me...

But anyway, as I said, there are good reasons for the structure of the book, including two Humakt versions (several versions of Orlanth and Yelm too) and a map. I am sorry that your specific needs aren;t catered for in Cults of Glorantha, and I'm sorry if you may feel that Monster Coliseum was somehow setting a precedent (it wasn't).

As for cults like Malia and Bagog, they will appear in the Book of Chaos which is one of the books on the plan for next year.

 

[Rasta]

Good question! Were they written up anywhere for MRQ1?

MRQ1 Cults volume 2 I believe.

 

[PhilHibbs]

What about Eurmal? Apparently there's no writeup in either Cults 1 or Cults 2 - is it in the new Cults book?

 

[Loz]

What about Eurmal? Apparently there's no writeup in either Cults 1 or Cults 2 - is it in the new Cults book?

Yes it is.

 

[gran_orco]

What about Eurmal? Apparently there's no writeup in either Cults 1 or Cults 2 - is it in the new Cults book?

Yes it is.

The best news that I have heard. Loz, don't be alarmed, look at my emoticon :twisted: