Azgulor wrote:
Hi Herve, glad to see you're still incapable of posting without A)slamming d20, B) making a personal attack, or C) doing both.
Hi Azgulor, you probably want to make people think that you never did any of the three things you mention above, that you’re too much a great person for that. But fortunately, the regular users of these boards know better about your slamming of other systems, your own personal attacks, not to speak of your “lynch the traitor” threads... If I don’t have the right attitude, then I’m not alone and again, you are judging me for the same flaws you got.
1. I became a Conan fan because of Conan OGL. I bought Conan OGL b/c I wanted an engine for swords-n-sorcery gaming. I was so impressed with the RPG done by Mongoose and their obvious love of the source material that I went out and bought the REH Conan collections and the Dark Horse Conan graphic novels.
Facts. No problem about this.
2. I would rather build upon my exisiting investment than purchase books that cover the same material but with a different rules system. Or am I supposed to believe that a RQ or SW Conan RPG won't release a Stygia supplement, an Aquilonia supplement, a Pictish Wilderness supplement, etc.? Maybe you're made of money, but I've got a family to support. Gaming is a hobby, and not an inexpensive one.
I also have a family to support, but I think RPGs don’t really belong to the « expansive hobby » category. They’re not giving them away, of course, but our hobby remains far more reasonable than for instance its video game “big brother”. In France a new console game costs about 70 Euros for about 10 hours of play, a MMO subscription costs between 10 and 15 Euros per month and so on… For an average 30 Euros you can use your RPG book for years…
As for releases under a new system, I could understand your position about regional books that would mostly be reprint with only a few statblocks changed, but what if they release a Turan sourcebook or a new campaign under the MRQ (or any non D20) license? Your “D20 or nothing” attitude doesn’t make sense for a Conan fan.
3. Once again your keen insight and abilities of critical analysis attempt to draw a division where there isn't one. By the insightful reasoning you've listed a person can be a fan of d20 games OR a fan of Conan but not both. Here's a newsflash Jack: nobody gave you the keys to the kingdom and I am a fan of both. I'm also curious if you would lump Vincent Darlage, Ian Sturrock, Matt, and the other Mongoose staffers who like the Conan RPG as Conan fans or d20 fans? Or do they get to like both and still be real Conan fans? Just trying to clear that up since I'm not as bright as you are.
I never said you couldn’t be a fan of both, but I was referring to the despotic attitude of some fanboys here, who all were, without a surprise, D20 lovers before they came to Conan. I don’t have any problems with people liking the system, and I’ve been sharing point of views on technical matters with them over the years on a regular basis.
You’re speaking of Vincent, Matt or Ian? Vincent himself admitted the D20 system wasn’t the best fit for Conan and that he would prefer another engine for the game. The people at Mongoose made D20 games when that system was in fashion, for obvious commercial reasons, but gradually dropped that engine over the years, with Slaine going MRQ, Judge Dredd going Traveller, the multi system planned for Conan and so on… Furthermore, none of them ever adopted the fanboy attitude!
The initial clash came from people like you (and a few others before you that share your attitude) that would pretend making the sacred law on these boards, telling people what they can say or not. A law they won’t apply to themselves, of course, because they are generally not the last to slam other systems like DD4 or MRQ or making direct personal attacks. Again you’re reproaching me your own behaviour…
Actually there are only a handful of people here who start a flamewar every time a word is said against their favourite system. This is what I call the fanboy attitude…
4. I didn't criticize anything about Mongoose or CPI's business plans for the license or the RPG.
I never said you did. But you were among the ones blackmailing them with “stay D20 or I quit” attitude.
I've consistently stated that there may be business reasons that would result in the end of the Conan OGL game or a switch to another system.
Did you? Sorry, I must have missed these posts. I especially like the “consistently” in your sentence…
It is not criticism to state that while I can understand a business decision that would not go my way, I have no need for a non-OGL product. That's my business decision.
I agree, but you really didn’t state it that way before, being a bit more… categorical.
5. You constantly label me a fanboy, yet in your post you make a personal attack against me, slam D20 games, and say that you'll continue to buy Conan material sight unseen. What if it sucks?
Again “make a personal attack against me, slam D20 games” is also exactly what you do (change D20 with another hated ruleset of your choice), so why don’t you try another refrain?
As for buying crappy Conan RPG material, I’ve done it by the past and probably will do it again. It is part of what I call “player’s responsibility”. If I want Mongoose to publish more books, I have to buy the ones they print first. That’s my way to support them.
I’ve been working in the industry for more than twenty years, some as a publisher. I know how much printing a RPG book costs and how uncertain you are to get your money back. If I stop buying them and that every sucker around do the same, then the game will simply die.
If I don’t like the books, I can still use the boards to speak my mind. This is why Mongoose created these boards in the first place: to get a feedback from their customers. There are a couple of books I would label as “poor” in the whole range, and I used this forum to say so, as I guess Mongoose are interested in what people are expecting from their products.
There are plenty of people that think non-Howard Conan sucks (or at least some of it does). You're telling me a RPG publisher couldn't make a bad game. Just curious given the frequency you slam Conan OGL.
Did I say that? I don’t think so.
I slam OGL, not Conan OGL. I‘ve always said that Mongoose was doing a great job on Conan. I’ve been criticizing the game system, not the overall quality of the books nor the company.
Really, between your post and mine, who sounds more like the fanboy?
Obviously, it is still you…
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
You're way too civilized for my tastes, Herve.
You really don’t know me, then: you'll be surprised…
