common knowledge

Evil Genius

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Hi,

I was thinking about what people in the traveller universe might know as 'common knowledge' - given the wide range of planetary tech levels and (possible) degree of isolation from the rest of the Imperium. Would most people be aware of 'The Ancients' or know that the Vagr were up-lifted foe example. What kind of things are common knowledge?

It would be an interesting scenario idea if the players visited a planet that had not had contact for hundreds of years - or had had some form of planetary catastrophe that had destroyed their civilisation and they had not had space flight for generations. The players could be in a first contact situation and have aliens with them that the inhabitants either had no memory of or had been forgotten about.
 
It would be an interesting scenario idea if the players visited a planet that had not had contact for hundreds of years - or had had some form of planetary catastrophe that had destroyed their civilisation and they had not had space flight for generations. The players could be in a first contact situation and have aliens with them that the inhabitants either had no memory of or had been forgotten about.

Indeed. It offers all sorts of opportunities for devious profits-via-prophets. Have a look at the Signs & Portents "Miracle Engineer" career for inspiration as to how you can gull the credible natives out of shiny things...
 
So, can I infer from the lack of replies that both 'The Ancients' and Vargr being uplifted are common knowledge with in the Imperium?
 
I always assumed that what was in the original GDW supplements 8 and 11 (Library Data A-M and N-Z) and what appeared in subsequent versions as library data (unless specifically identified for Referees Only) was what was known as common knowledge.

If for example I look at the library data for the original GDW Adventure 7 Broadsword (which I had handy) the entry for the Vargr starts with "Intelligent race derived from Ancient manipulations of terran canine stock".
 
Evil Genius said:
So, can I infer from the lack of replies that both 'The Ancients' and Vargr being uplifted are common knowledge with in the Imperium?

I'd argue no and no.

I mean, most people just dont need to know that, and the 'Solomani Hypothesis' has got baggage on it ... its known, but not everyone will know it :)
 
Given the Imperium doesn't seem to uphold any Imperial-wide standards of education, I'd hazard to say that very little is common knowledge. The Imperium tolerates planets with very low TLs where information dissemination would be effectively impossible; these worlds aren't outliers, while they're not totally common, they're not rare.

I think once you get to the TL12 "Average Stellar" worlds in the Imperium (the world types that are supposed to be the most common) you'd get into some common knowledge. You could expect that the Solomani Hypothesis and perhaps the Vargr origins would be taught in high school. The exact nature of Ancients, their connection with the Droyne is one of those odd things that is presented as a mystery in almost every edition of Traveller. You'd think by the time of like TNE (in the Regency) or even before, around the Rebellion years (1116) the Droyne-Ancients theory would be pretty well known.
 
Would most people have heard of the Ancients. Yes.

The ancients are widely known of, though the vast majority of people will never have seen an Ancient artefact or ruin. They would be much like the ancient Egyptians are to us. Just about everyone will have heard of them, many may have seen TriDs of ruins. Subsector news agencies would run stories of some explorer finding a ruin or relic. Few people would have any detailed knowledge but most people would have heard of them.

Lets face it many people will have seen them in B movies and the like, "Wrath of the Ancients" Our hero Chuck (the beard) Norris exploring the strange ruins on world B23847 uncovers an ancient evil that threatens the Universe and only he can defeat it (and save the romantic interest).


Would most people have heard of Grandfather. No.

Grandfather, the Ancient wars etc are a detailed subset of Ancient Knowledge known only to an interested few. Only specialists in the Field are likely to have any real knowledge. People may have heard stories in much the same way that people may be familiar with Tutan Kharmun but only due to the stories that did the rounds with the curse.


Would most people have heard that the Vargr are uplifted Earth dogs. Yes.

This is the sort of thing, like humans having evolved from monkeys, that most people will have heard. Some will say they don’t believe it (the Vilani for one since it supports Solomani claims to being the “True” Humans), others will repeat it often to mock or belittle the Vargr (a lot of people along the borders with them or who suffer raids).


Would most people believe in links between the Droyne and the Ancients. No.

Again this is the sort of detail that specialists would be aware of but the bulk of the population who may have heard it ignore it or dismiss it out of hand. After all the Ancients build planets and did incredible things. The Droyne are just another alien species in a verse with many aliens. In much the same way the speculation about chirpers and Droyne is also all but unknown or disbelieved. For the general population to accept that the Droyne are linked to the Ancients is to accept the fact that they are vastly older than Humaniti and that they are (or were) vastly more advanced. That whole idea brings an awful lot of baggage with it and would be denied or disbelieved for many reasons.

Consider today, the Egyptians had a vast and advanced empire (for the time anyway) while we in the west were wearing animal furs and using sharp sticks with bits of flint tied to them. The Chinese had an empire larger than all of Europe and which had technology far in advance of anyone else of the time. Europeans do NOT regard either country as superior today and in fact both are considered technologically backwards compared to the western world. Asking someone off the street if they consider China to be a more advanced country because they had medicine and gunpowder long before us and the answer is going to be no.

I see it being the same with the Droyne. Myths and Legends about them being a super race thousands of years ago are just that, bar talk and jump tales. In the 3rdI they hold some planets and are about as advanced as the Imperium is. No super race there.

There is a wide gap between people having heard of something and people believing it. Many will have heard of the Droyne being something to do with the ancients. Many have also heard of the Candy Man, Freddy Kruger, Father Christmas etc.
 
Important distinction.

Travellers will know these things far more than say inhabitants of Plaven/Cronor. In Geonee Space the Ancients are viewed differently. The Spinward Marches and adjacent areas are full of lowtech and isolated worlds in which these common knowledges are lost. Core and Sollie space lack these frontier worlds and will have more cohesive but sometimes off/wrong views.

Rimward Solomani and Spinward Marchers will view the Aslan differently than trailing Sollies and Impies who view Hivers and K'Kree respectively in a different light. Same applies to Rimward Sollies vs. Marchers/Vilani view of Vargr.
 
One possible way of defining what is and what isn't common knowledge is to look at what Imperial law tries to control. My reasoning is if the Imperium thinks something is important enough to legislate for or against it, then it has cause to ensure knowledge of that legislation is disseminated as much as possible.

So the private ownership of Ancients-related artifacts will be widely announced and that would lead to the dissemination of background info on the Ancients themselves with said knowledge with more details being more widely and more easily available on higher TL worlds than on the lower TL ones, as has been pointed out in previous posts.
 
A fair comment. If a planet has an Imperial starport, you should assume a copy of the public Library Data must be pretty easy to come by - so anyone who has regular dealings in startown could learn that stuff.

Whether they do depends more on the person. After all, you could go online and study accounting or cross-stitch.
 
locarno24 said:
Whether they do depends more on the person. After all, you could go online and study accounting or cross-stitch.
Absolutely. Heck, most people don't even read the owner's manual on anything they buy. Having the ability to know is useless without the desire to do so.
 
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