civilian or military vechile book?

[BP]

Just an aside - English customary units are actually defined based on metric units and have been for a very long time (the original International System of Units treaty was created in the later part of the 1800's!)

The entire world has 'adopted' the metric system - the U.S. just tends to have more diverse systems of measurement in everyday use - and they also don't form a consistent system (unlike the SI).

As a hobby wood enthusiast - many dimensioned woods tend to come with mm measures - even more true of veneers (well - most do come from other countries). Though we still use board feet and pounds for a lot of stuff as well.

IIRC, there are places in the U.K. that still have miles signs (maybe this dates back to the Roman mile stones?) but speed limits are posted in km.

 

[Sturn]

Metric is preferred generally as it allows for more "granularity" (and is base 10... like fingers).

I don't know about you, but I have 8 fingers and 2 opposable thumbs. :lol:

Yes I agree metric system has many, many benefits over the standard system in the US. The current is just too entrenched to ever be completely replaced in my opinion. Perhaps a 100 years ago a President could have ordered the use of the metric system and most everyone would have fallen in line. Now, I don't see that happening. Too much of a price tag on a mandated switch-over. Even if mandated, most would simply just ignore it.

 

[lastbesthope]

I can work mentally in either system and convert between the two asneeded.

Weird thing is in heights/lengths and weights, if I want to KNOW how large/heavy something is I use metric to measure it, but often use imperial to get a feel for how big it is.

For instance, 6 ft is 182.88 metres, but I still think of a tall person being 6 ft plus, not 1.82 m plus

The ability to work in either lets me pick and choose.

LBH

 

[Klaus Kipling]

All the chippies I've met still use 2 by 4, and you can still buy it like that in the UK. You can still ask for stuff in Imperial, it's just that by law goods have to be listed in metric - there's no law preventing shops listing in Imperial as well, despite what the Daily Mail and cockney market traders might say.

I guess I'm of the generation that is bi-lingual when it comes to measurements, but I'm very glad I never had to do science in pounds and inches!

Call me a pedant, but I prefer my fantasy in pounds and miles, and my sci-fi in kilos and centimetres - seems more verisimilitudinous, as it were.

Back on topic, be aware that TL12 and 14 vehicle armour is heavier per point than TL10, which I think needs fixing.

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

All the chippies I've met still use 2 by 4, and you can still buy it like that in the UK.

Yes, but I bet it comes off a pile/stack labelled 50x100 mm (likely also marked "nominal").

 

[rust]

For instance, 6 ft is 182.88 metres ...

Well, actually ... :wink:

 

[Sturn]

Call me a pedant, but I prefer my fantasy in pounds and miles, and my sci-fi in kilos and centimetres - seems more verisimilitudinous, as it were.

I will second that.

Back on topic, be aware that TL12 and 14 vehicle armour is heavier per point than TL10, which I think needs fixing.

Has anyone put togather a list of errata, even if unofficial, for the vehicle construction rules?

 

[BP]

For instance, 6 ft is 182.88 metres ...

Well, actually ... :wink:

What's a couple orders of magnitude amongst friends

 

[Vile]

I'm not sure there's any "errata" as such, more like basic problems with the design system assumptions. It'd be quite tricky to re-write, I think - not impossible, though.

It would cost several industries a load of money to make the switch.

But think of all the work for sign makers and manufacturers of measuring devices! Everyone would have to buy new measuring tapes! This could be just the consumer stimulus the US economy needs! :wink:

 

[Garuda]

Has anyone put togather a list of errata, even if unofficial, for the vehicle construction rules?

I was designing one or two vehicles over the weekend and found following the example for the vehicle build rather confusing.

Such as armour: the example adds 2% of light alloy armour to the van. The table shows 1% adds 6 points of armour so 2% should be 12 points but instead the example adds only 8. Also the added weight comes to 832kgs where my maths worked it out at more than 2 tons. The example multiplied the 2% by 1,600 whereas the table shows the factor should be 4,800 (haven't got the book to double check the 4,800 is correct). Where did that 1,600 value come from??


Ammunition: You can add enough ammunition for 5 attacks at a time for an increase in volume. But what is 5 attacks? For instance, a TL10 light autocannon has a magazine that holds 200 rounds allowing 200 attacks in single fire, 25 attacks in burst fire or 8 attacks in full auto - or any combination of these. So what does adding an extra 5 attacks mean? Surely when I add ammo it should be the addition of spare magazine or two?

There were other things I didn't get in the examples either and yet more that though I get it now it took a while to realise what they'd done because it is poorly explained.

 

[SnowDog]

I don't do much carpentry but still here in Finland there is a term that refers to 2x4 piece of wood although we use metric system...

Your 70 mph speed limit would probably be rounded down to 100 kph or up to 120 kph.

All measuring tapes and even some rulers I have have both centimeters and inches marked there, which is nice if I want to use those for miniatures gaming

Thanks to roleplaying I can pretty well use imperial system units for distance/length, weight and even some dimensions (namely pint :lol. Ounces are a bit tougher and I have no idea about the stone that apparently is pretty popular for a weight measure...

 

[rust]

I was designing one or two vehicles over the weekend and found following the example for the vehicle build rather confusing.

If this is the "armed van" example, you better ignore it, it does not fit
in with the design system and was probably left over from a previous
draft.

 

[Garuda]

I was designing one or two vehicles over the weekend and found following the example for the vehicle build rather confusing.

If this is the "armed van" example, you better ignore it, it does not fit
in with the design system and was probably left over from a previous
draft.

yeah the whole thing looks broken.

even where they've done something correctly they've made it look confusing - such as the volume for adding weapons. They listed everything to multiply and then stuck the extra ammo on the end which is actually supposed to be added not multiplied. Even then they've only calculated half of the ammo in - the example is adding 10 extra attacks and the maths only accounts for 5.

 

[lastbesthope]

For instance, 6 ft is 182.88 metres ...

Well, actually ... :wink:

What's a couple orders of magnitude amongst friends

I had the magnitude right, I just lacked my unit prefix

Obviously I meant 182.88 centimetres

LBH

 

[BP]

Or 1.8288 m