civilian or military vechile book?

[tneva82]

If one would have to buy one or the other with unknown time when he can get next one which would be more useful?

What's differences between them except one has guns? Can one do vechiles at all with military book(ie is it stand alone book)? Are there civilian based options missing in military book?

 

[rust]

The design systems in Civilian Vehicles and Military Vehicles are identical,
the main differences between the two supplements are the vehicle exam-
ples, civilian ones in Civilian Vehicles and military ones in Military Vehicles.
So, in the end it depends on whether your campaign needs more ready
civilian or military vehicles at the moment.

If you plan to design water vehicles, especially submarines, the system is
flawed, and I would recommend to look somewhere else for a design sys-
tem for these.

 

[Kilgs]

As noted above, the books are IDENTICAL except for the completed vehicles in the back section of the book. This was a pretty blatant "Palladium" move by Mongoose (Copy+paste+new cover=$$$). The Military Vehicles book adds nothing to the options or equipment for vehicles. Why this wasn’t released as a single book is incomprehensible especially considering the text used to pitch them which clearly indicates there are more options in the second book.

:evil:

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

The only difference that I can see (apart from the examples) is that 'Military Vehicles' has fuel processors and hangers as add-on options. These can be got from the preview in any case.

 

[Mithras]

I did follow that thread rust. Have you written any rules to modify the design system?

If you plan to design water vehicles, especially submarines, the system is flawed, and I would recommend to look somewhere else for a design system for these.

 

[rust]

I did follow that thread rust. Have you written any rules to modify the design system?

No, I am using the rules from GURPS Transhuman Space - Under Pressure
again. They are more complex than I would prefer, and the Imperial Sys-
tem causes some headaches (I still think that a "cubic foot" is an ugly dis-
figurement ...), but the results seem worth the effort.

 

[Mithras]

I agree regarding unit measurement! It has been a strange experience reading GURPS Transhuman Space and reading all of that technical stuff in imperial measure. Doesn't really jive with the post-humanistic high tech feel ...

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

It reminds me of the way a lot of US-based 'RuneQuest' players always tried to turn kilometres into "key miles", it seems based upon the (mis)use of the abbreviation "km".

p.s. I must say I like your Roman-Traveller 'Mercator'.

 

[tneva82]

So basically I can buy either and design any sort of vechiles I need? Good good.

 

[Golan2072]

So basically I can buy either and design any sort of vechiles I need? Good good.

Good to hear that - I was intending to buy both books once I'll have some spare change in my pockets, and this thread has saved me the cost of Military Vehicles. Thank you all

 

[AndrewW]

So basically I can buy either and design any sort of vechiles I need? Good good.

Good to hear that - I was intending to buy both books once I'll have some spare change in my pockets, and this thread has saved me the cost of Military Vehicles. Thank you all

Been mentioned a few times, even before either where released... But that's good that it helps you out there.

 

[BP]

It reminds me of the way a lot of US-based 'RuneQuest' players always tried to turn kilometres into "key miles", it seems based upon the (mis)use of the abbreviation "km".

Hope that is a joke... but sadly I doubt it. At least we are talking RPGs and not RW - ala this.

With the number of Traveller players with submarine backgrounds, I would think a third-party underwater vessels book would not go amiss - though it would have to be really well done

 

[rust]

With the number of Traveller players with submarine backgrounds, I would think a third-party underwater vessels book would not go amiss - though it would have to be really well done

I know someone who would certainly buy a copy ... 8)

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

It reminds me of the way a lot of US-based 'RuneQuest' players always tried to turn kilometres into "key miles", it seems based upon the (mis)use of the abbreviation "km".

Hope that is a joke... but sadly I doubt it.

Sadly no, it happened—the mistaken and crass attempt to "re-imperialise" even made it into some 3rd party publications by people who should have known better.

 

[Sturn]

Thanks Lord Munchkin for the information. I printed that page off for my civilan vehicles book. The Lords of Mongoose may not like your suggestion tho.

Off-topic:

What in the world is a, "key mile"?

From a US point of view, I think most people here understand that a complete use of the metric system in the US would be better for all due to its use almost everywhere else in the world (and to kill fractions!). Most of us only use the metric system in science not because we are tards, but because the switch isn't going to happen anytime soon.

I'm 40 and was taught this alternate measurement system all the way back in grade school over 3 decades ago...that was quickly forgotten about and never used until chemistry and physics in high school and college.

It would cost several industries a load of money to make the switch. I can't see the construction industry, carpenters, etc. making the switch without a law being made forcing them to. I don't see such a law being made. I don't see a "2x4"* in the US becoming a "5.1x10.2" anytime soon. Lots of speed limit signs out there to change also that would cost billions to repaint. I find it easy to understand how fast 70mph is, but if someone said 112.65kph it would take some math in my head to understand. Hmm...I'm a cop would the speed limit actually increase a bit to 115kph so decimals didn't pop up on traffic signs? :lol:

Without being in a science related job, I think RPG's are my only use anymore of the metric system.

*For you Europeans, a common piece of lumber in the US called a "2x4" because it's dimensions are supposed to be 2 inches x 4 inches (actually more like 1.5x3.5 due to milling).

 

[rust]

*For you Europeans, a common piece of lumber in the US called a "2x4" because it's dimensions are supposed to be 2 inches x 4 inches (actually more like 1.5x3.5 due to milling).

Not just Europeans - everyone who does not live in the USA, Birma or Li-
beria. :lol:

 

[Charakan]

The British use imperial measurements as well as metric, I'm not sure if I really used metric measurements until secondary school (I could be wrong your asking me to think back thirty something years). I find it more convenient to use metric measuremnts in RPGs, the imperial system in GURPS really puts me off.

Weird thing is if I'm measuring something in the house or weighing food I use metres, centimetres or grams, but if I think in distances for travelling I use miles because thats what the road signs in the UK are in.

There was a lot of uproar in the anti EU sections of the British press when shops were going to be made to use metric measurements for goods. 2 x 4 was a common measurement in British carpentry for a lot of years, but I've no idea what the construction industry uses now.

 

[atpollard]

There was a lot of uproar in the anti EU sections of the British press when shops were going to be made to use metric measurements for goods. 2 x 4 was a common measurement in British carpentry for a lot of years, but I've no idea what the construction industry uses now.

The limited metric carpentry that I have seen uses milimeters, probably to avoid decimals and accomodate the need for 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch accuracy for most critical dimensions (like door and window openings).

 

[alex_greene]

The British use imperial measurements as well as metric ...

There was a lot of uproar in the anti EU sections of the British press when shops were going to be made to use metric measurements for goods. 2 x 4 was a common measurement in British carpentry for a lot of years, but I've no idea what the construction industry uses now.

They still use wood.

Or fleem, as you are now supposed to call it in metric measurements.

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

Metric is preferred generally as it allows for more "granularity" (and is base 10... like fingers).