Centuari 5pt Raid need advise / suggestions
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well depends if you want to use the hated prefect or tertius 
my 5 point raid fleet is:
tertius(orprimus), dargan, prefect(or centurion), vorchat, 2 corvans.
this gives you scouts, beams, and fighters in decent amounts and is what i used at the last tourney.
for a 5 point war i would prob go:
octurion, 2 tertius, 2 prefects, 2 darkners, 4 corvans, 2 dargans, 2 sulusts, 2 altarian variants (prob the missile one)
my 5 point raid fleet is:
tertius(orprimus), dargan, prefect(or centurion), vorchat, 2 corvans.
this gives you scouts, beams, and fighters in decent amounts and is what i used at the last tourney.
for a 5 point war i would prob go:
octurion, 2 tertius, 2 prefects, 2 darkners, 4 corvans, 2 dargans, 2 sulusts, 2 altarian variants (prob the missile one)
CZuschlag
Mongoose
n.B: I'm using SFoS fleet build rules --- because I don't have Armageddon with me and I really don't like the new fleet build system. Natch.
Centauri is an excellent beginner fleet. The tactics are direct and uncomplicated. You can even avoid a cheese build with a little simple work, and try to keep the cost down.
As to the Centauri fleet box -- for a balanced fleet, don't. You'll get a lot of Vorchans you don't want, or need. But, just next door is the first good ticket, the reinforcement fleet box. Dargan, two Maximus, 2 Darkeners and a boatload of fighters for $50/£30. Ching! You won't use the Kutai, but the Raziks will be your fighter cover when you don't take a carrier. The Rutarians can be a later upgrade if you want 'em .... I'm not totally sold on them.
That's 3 raid already. (Dargan, Darkeners, Maximii). You need two more. Cheapest way to get there? Primus. You'll also use it religiously for War-level fights anyways, so, why not. And, if you get bored with it, you can call it a Secundus, which flies very differently. If you're getting whupped all the time, you can call the cheese out and call it a Tertius (if you can stand the accusations).
If you're out to build 5 War as well, it'll cost you more cash. At this point, you have to start to seriously think about the Centauri base fleet box. Yeah, it's $100/£55, but you'll want the 2 Primus and 2 Centurion. The Vorchar makes a nice scout, but you don't need 6 of 'em? The other options are poor (the Vorchat) or downright stupid (the Demos). The box's value really depends on the fighter contingent. If you're OK with fighters as counters, buy the capital ships individually (total $60/£34).
The Darkeners and Maximii make 1 War. A couple of Primus make two. The cheapest way to field War is to get an Octurion, and at $20/£12, it's dollar-effective nasty fleet unit usually worth buying. That's your third war.
Two Raid and two Patrol is another War point .... and if you have the Fleet box, you have 2 Centurions already. You just need two Patrol. Enter the Corvan, the fleet scout you desparately need. $9/£5 for a patrol point sounds expensive as all get-out, but this thing is worth it. That's your fourth War.
If you didn't get the fleet box, you'll want those Centurions anyways. Pricey, but nice figures. Resist the cheese temptation to make these Prefects, unless you face equal and opposite cheese.
You have one Dargan, so another 2 Raid makes sense. While some folks think its cheese, you're just starting, and few people will begrudge you a couple of Sulust. At $9/£5 each, they're pretty cost-efficient.
5 War on a total budget of $166/£96. ($206/£117 if you want fighter minis and bought the Centauri fleet box together with some Vorchan figs -- they are useful in Skirmish-level fights, don't get me wrong -- you just almost never need 6!)
5 Raid on a total budget of $65/£38.50.
Eh. No one said getting into minis was cheap, but this is a very very flyable, and learnable fleet, for a (what I consider) reasonable price that'll fly reasonably against most everything. The Raid stack is very front-towards enemy, and an ISA player will give you nightmares. Against Minbari, the lack of a scout at Raid will hurt like the dickens. Against everything else you should be OK. And, if you use Armageddon, you have sitting aside the Balavarin/Balavarix from the Reinforcements box as fighter cover, just waiting for the "go" signal.
Of course, if you're really saving money, just use the counters, and build away. You can easily experiment with the Altaran/Elutarian/Magnus, which are all very buyable Raid ships.
Centauri is an excellent beginner fleet. The tactics are direct and uncomplicated. You can even avoid a cheese build with a little simple work, and try to keep the cost down.
As to the Centauri fleet box -- for a balanced fleet, don't. You'll get a lot of Vorchans you don't want, or need. But, just next door is the first good ticket, the reinforcement fleet box. Dargan, two Maximus, 2 Darkeners and a boatload of fighters for $50/£30. Ching! You won't use the Kutai, but the Raziks will be your fighter cover when you don't take a carrier. The Rutarians can be a later upgrade if you want 'em .... I'm not totally sold on them.
That's 3 raid already. (Dargan, Darkeners, Maximii). You need two more. Cheapest way to get there? Primus. You'll also use it religiously for War-level fights anyways, so, why not. And, if you get bored with it, you can call it a Secundus, which flies very differently. If you're getting whupped all the time, you can call the cheese out and call it a Tertius (if you can stand the accusations).
If you're out to build 5 War as well, it'll cost you more cash. At this point, you have to start to seriously think about the Centauri base fleet box. Yeah, it's $100/£55, but you'll want the 2 Primus and 2 Centurion. The Vorchar makes a nice scout, but you don't need 6 of 'em? The other options are poor (the Vorchat) or downright stupid (the Demos). The box's value really depends on the fighter contingent. If you're OK with fighters as counters, buy the capital ships individually (total $60/£34).
The Darkeners and Maximii make 1 War. A couple of Primus make two. The cheapest way to field War is to get an Octurion, and at $20/£12, it's dollar-effective nasty fleet unit usually worth buying. That's your third war.
Two Raid and two Patrol is another War point .... and if you have the Fleet box, you have 2 Centurions already. You just need two Patrol. Enter the Corvan, the fleet scout you desparately need. $9/£5 for a patrol point sounds expensive as all get-out, but this thing is worth it. That's your fourth War.
If you didn't get the fleet box, you'll want those Centurions anyways. Pricey, but nice figures. Resist the cheese temptation to make these Prefects, unless you face equal and opposite cheese.
You have one Dargan, so another 2 Raid makes sense. While some folks think its cheese, you're just starting, and few people will begrudge you a couple of Sulust. At $9/£5 each, they're pretty cost-efficient.
5 War on a total budget of $166/£96. ($206/£117 if you want fighter minis and bought the Centauri fleet box together with some Vorchan figs -- they are useful in Skirmish-level fights, don't get me wrong -- you just almost never need 6!)
5 Raid on a total budget of $65/£38.50.
Eh. No one said getting into minis was cheap, but this is a very very flyable, and learnable fleet, for a (what I consider) reasonable price that'll fly reasonably against most everything. The Raid stack is very front-towards enemy, and an ISA player will give you nightmares. Against Minbari, the lack of a scout at Raid will hurt like the dickens. Against everything else you should be OK. And, if you use Armageddon, you have sitting aside the Balavarin/Balavarix from the Reinforcements box as fighter cover, just waiting for the "go" signal.
Of course, if you're really saving money, just use the counters, and build away. You can easily experiment with the Altaran/Elutarian/Magnus, which are all very buyable Raid ships.
Good, solid advice there and I'd like to make one addition:
Vorchans themselves may not be the best ships but Vorchats and Vorchars are and fill definite roles in the fleet, whilst using the Vorchan models. If you want to buy the fleet boxed set then this will help ensure you get good use out of your ships.
Vorchans themselves may not be the best ships but Vorchats and Vorchars are and fill definite roles in the fleet, whilst using the Vorchan models. If you want to buy the fleet boxed set then this will help ensure you get good use out of your ships.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Vorchans make nice initiative sinks but don't expect miracles from them when they fire. Or when they're fired upon.
Dargan is a nice ship. Good firepower, defensive guns all round and comes with fighters. Corvan is a nice patrol unit and a good scout, and also comes with fighters. Not a bad fleet. Consider using Razik light fighters instead of Sentris for extra dogfighting ability.
Dargan is a nice ship. Good firepower, defensive guns all round and comes with fighters. Corvan is a nice patrol unit and a good scout, and also comes with fighters. Not a bad fleet. Consider using Razik light fighters instead of Sentris for extra dogfighting ability.
Hi,
Using Armegeddon point allocation system my fleet would look something like this:
5 pt Raid
1 Dargan
1 Dargan
1 Magnus
2 Darkner
1 Maximus + 2 Corvan
5 pt War
1 Primus + 2 Sullust
1 Primus + 1 Dargan + 2 Darkner
1 Primus + 1 Dargan 1 Darkner + 2 Corvan
1 Secundus + 1 Magnus + 2 Maximus
1 Secundus + 1 Magnus + 2 Maximus
Each line in these lists equals one FAP at the respective priority level.
Using Armegeddon point allocation system my fleet would look something like this:
5 pt Raid
1 Dargan
1 Dargan
1 Magnus
2 Darkner
1 Maximus + 2 Corvan
5 pt War
1 Primus + 2 Sullust
1 Primus + 1 Dargan + 2 Darkner
1 Primus + 1 Dargan 1 Darkner + 2 Corvan
1 Secundus + 1 Magnus + 2 Maximus
1 Secundus + 1 Magnus + 2 Maximus
Each line in these lists equals one FAP at the respective priority level.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Boots said:
Nice fleet lots of standoff potential
Hi All thanks for the suggestions and corrections. I now propose the following:
5 point Raid:
1st Squadron: 1 Centurion CA + 1 Dargan SC + 1 Corvan Sc
2nd Squadron: 1 Prefect CA + Dargan SC + 1 Corvan Sc
Attach to any squadron + 1 Razik Wing
(make all fighters in force Razik's)
To raise this force to 5 point Battle:
1st Squadron: Primus BC + Sulust DDE + Corvan Sc
2nd Squadron: Centurion CA + Dargan SC + Corvan Sc
3rd Squadron: Prefect CA + Dargan SC + Corvan Sc
4th Squadron: 3 Vorchan Ws (because they are in the TV show)
Probably not an all conquering force but pretty I think.
Martin
5 point Raid:
1st Squadron: 1 Centurion CA + 1 Dargan SC + 1 Corvan Sc
2nd Squadron: 1 Prefect CA + Dargan SC + 1 Corvan Sc
Attach to any squadron + 1 Razik Wing
(make all fighters in force Razik's)
To raise this force to 5 point Battle:
1st Squadron: Primus BC + Sulust DDE + Corvan Sc
2nd Squadron: Centurion CA + Dargan SC + Corvan Sc
3rd Squadron: Prefect CA + Dargan SC + Corvan Sc
4th Squadron: 3 Vorchan Ws (because they are in the TV show)
Probably not an all conquering force but pretty I think.
Martin
Well... that is a lot of capital ships. I haven't tried that and comment on it's effectiveness... but can anyone else?
My gut says no. Take out a cruiser and you have lost a quarter of your fire power. Support ships not only add more weapons (duh :roll: ) but they also are sacrificial. They charge and attract the attention of other, more important ships while your rprimary ships swat frigates and destroyers out of the way. Hopefully, by the time their capital ships are done with your lighter craft, the larger ships can bear down with heavy weapons on what is left.
It's the tactic I plan to use... so it's more of a personal thing.
Well, that's all I can say. Does anyone else have anything to add?
My gut says no. Take out a cruiser and you have lost a quarter of your fire power. Support ships not only add more weapons (duh :roll: ) but they also are sacrificial. They charge and attract the attention of other, more important ships while your rprimary ships swat frigates and destroyers out of the way. Hopefully, by the time their capital ships are done with your lighter craft, the larger ships can bear down with heavy weapons on what is left.
It's the tactic I plan to use... so it's more of a personal thing.
Well, that's all I can say. Does anyone else have anything to add?
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Martin said:
Just a question, you say the basic rules and Armageddon. Do you have Sky Full of Stars as well as a box set, because you really need SFOS as well as Armageddon. Armageddon is a further supplement to SFOS.
LBH
